DonR
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A turbo-encabulator by any other name would smell as sweet.
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Adi777
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De onderlinge invloed van luidsprekers, versterkers en kabels
Het verhaal rondom luidsprekerkabels dat we onlangs hebben gepubliceerd, heeft best wat losgemaakt. Bij ons, maar ook ontwerpers die naar aanleiding van onze vragen en bevindingen begonnen door te vragen over diverse combinaties en invloeden. Denk aan de invloed van een speaker op de resultaten...
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You readed this?
"Reviewer" who knows nothing makes shit up.
A "tube active" cable
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1 in the world! Tube Active 1m Powered cable Rca/XLR
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At last! Cheap, too.A "tube active" cable
1 in the world! Tube Active 1m Powered cable Rca/XLR
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DonR
Major Contributor
Audioquest meets tube-woo.A "tube active" cable
1 in the world! Tube Active 1m Powered cable Rca/XLR
Tube Powered Biased Cable System Now available XLR version.Complete review http://www.high-endaudio.com/RECENT.htmlWe truly believe that Aural Thrills Audio has created the finest cable in the world bar none. Now Arthur Salvatore agrees! read his review at...
My take is some of it has to be this- I'm shopping for a CD player too many choices ! I narrowed it down to Marantz CD6007 or the Nad C538 than saw the Marantz CD60 on sale (scratch & dent). Me Knowing very little about what makes a good CD player & value I call the retailers "expert advisor" He tells me there all good units & the THD is good in all of them & I wouldn't notice that, but big difference I would notice is the S/N ratio and comparing the Marantz CD 60 to Marantz 6007 "the S/N is much better so it's well worth it the extra money". OK I start looking at those numbers & end up confused as per the expert the higher the S/N the better the unit will sound. For some reason the "expert" mentioned nothing about the DAC's in them.
Marantz 6007 s/n 110-$800
Marantz CD60 118- $800
Nad 110- $400
Pro-ject DS3 105- $999
Project S3 120- $550
So I call back "expert" and ask if the S/N ratio is the thing in audible difference than how come the Pro-ject S3 has a much better S/N than there DS3 which costs almost double ? His answer was "well that's just how they do it" I asked "do what" He answers "there's a lot that goes into this & I'm not sure but don't worry there all really good sounding players" Wow, not the response I was expecting.
I know THD & S/N numbers aren't snake oil but when you have a giant retailer probably largest seller of audio gear online not knowing what the heck He's talking about your going to get a lot of people spending a lot more money with no audible benefit.
So us (most of us) consumers think more money gets you a better product maybe but better sounding maybe not.
Now I'm shopping for some RCA cables to hook up CD player and budgeted 500 bucks I think they will really make that CD player sing but 1st I'll need to talk to the expert selling them.
Marantz 6007 s/n 110-$800
Marantz CD60 118- $800
Nad 110- $400
Pro-ject DS3 105- $999
Project S3 120- $550
So I call back "expert" and ask if the S/N ratio is the thing in audible difference than how come the Pro-ject S3 has a much better S/N than there DS3 which costs almost double ? His answer was "well that's just how they do it" I asked "do what" He answers "there's a lot that goes into this & I'm not sure but don't worry there all really good sounding players" Wow, not the response I was expecting.
I know THD & S/N numbers aren't snake oil but when you have a giant retailer probably largest seller of audio gear online not knowing what the heck He's talking about your going to get a lot of people spending a lot more money with no audible benefit.
So us (most of us) consumers think more money gets you a better product maybe but better sounding maybe not.
Now I'm shopping for some RCA cables to hook up CD player and budgeted 500 bucks I think they will really make that CD player sing but 1st I'll need to talk to the expert selling them.
DonR
Major Contributor
The one that sounds the best is the one whose commission is the biggest. There is a direct correlation.My take is some of it has to be this- I'm shopping for a CD player too many choices ! I narrowed it down to Marantz CD6007 or the Nad C538 than saw the Marantz CD60 on sale (scratch & dent). Me Knowing very little about what makes a good CD player & value I call the retailers "expert advisor" He tells me there all good units & the THD is good in all of them & I wouldn't notice that, but big difference I would notice is the S/N ratio and comparing the Marantz CD 60 to Marantz 6007 "the S/N is much better so it's well worth it the extra money". OK I start looking at those numbers & end up confused as per the expert the higher the S/N the better the unit will sound. For some reason the "expert" mentioned nothing about the DAC's in them.
Marantz 6007 s/n 110-$800
Marantz CD60 118- $800
Nad 110- $400
Pro-ject DS3 105- $999
Project S3 120- $550
So I call back "expert" and ask if the S/N ratio is the thing in audible difference than how come the Pro-ject S3 has a much better S/N than there DS3 which costs almost double ? His answer was "well that's just how they do it" I asked "do what" He answers "there's a lot that goes into this & I'm not sure but don't worry there all really good sounding players" Wow, not the response I was expecting.
I know THD & S/N numbers aren't snake oil but when you have a giant retailer probably largest seller of audio gear online not knowing what the heck He's talking about your going to get a lot of people spending a lot more money with no audible benefit.
So us (most of us) consumers think more money gets you a better product maybe but better sounding maybe not.
Now I'm shopping for some RCA cables to hook up CD player and budgeted 500 bucks I think they will really make that CD player sing but 1st I'll need to talk to the expert selling them.
Ken1951
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This product just seems, what's the word I'm thinking of, Insane? I guess it's for folks looking to maximize the number of tubes in their systems.
Whereas that's true, a lot of other snake oil crap is just insane, too. Seems like you can get big bucks if there is absolutely no coherent explanation or supporting science.
Ken1951
Addicted to Fun and Learning
Science??? We don' need no stinkin' science!!!!!
In fairness Einstein does get a mention.
Thinking about it, he'd be fascinated by the amount of new physics that's been discovered by audiophiles in the last 30 years. It's been breakthrough after breakthrough. By comparison the Large Hadron Collider and all those billions spent on it has contributed next to nothing.
In fact, they are quite allergic.
this is me
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I know plenty of good engineers who buy into these “snake oils”.
I don’t know why there’s so many threads on this forum about “snake oils”. People are free to buy whatever they want.
I don’t know why there’s so many threads on this forum about “snake oils”. People are free to buy whatever they want.
DonR
Major Contributor
and people are free to critique the claims made by these companies.
You're traveling through another dimension. A dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead. Your next stop - the Twilight Zone.
this is me
Member
Absolutely.
TDLR: People believe in snakeoil, because they dont understand how things works. Scientific stuff sometimes too hard to understand so they have to find something thats easier to understand. Snakeoil and exotic audio marketing usually using easy to understand, really simple formulas.
Just like in the medieval age, all the uneducated people worshipped the church, because it gave them ready to use ideals, they didnt had to think about anything so they thought they are doing fine.
Just like in the medieval age, all the uneducated people worshipped the church, because it gave them ready to use ideals, they didnt had to think about anything so they thought they are doing fine.
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