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Which amplification is more suitable?

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a speaker with these features: speaker type: 3-way, bass reflex
suggested amplifier: 30÷120 Watt
impedance: 4÷8 Ohm
sensitivity (2.83 V/1m): 91 dB
frequency response: 46÷22000 Hz
crossover frequency: 70 / 3100 Hz
crossover slope: 12 / 12 / 12 dB/oct
how many watts does it need to give its best?
 
70Hz x-over low????
Doesn't sound like a 3-way,more like a bookshelf with a sub.

As for the question and if this sensitivity is right can't be hard but it will depend on your listening habits (level),room (dimensions,EQ,etc) and listening distance.
 
how many watts does it need to give its best?
How loud do you listen? At 91 dB sensitivity you won't need much power at all if you listen at reasonable volume. A 10 W/ch amplifier may even cut it; it would get you over 100 dB (8 ohms). A 50 W/ch amplifier should be more than sufficient.
 
I always attack these issue from the recommendation once given by French speaker manufacturer Cabasse in a very well written leaflet from the '70s.

Considering that a baby grand piano can produce around 115 dB peak SPL at 1 m meter (for brief milliseconds) when playing fortissimo, Cabasse advocated to compute the power of amplifiers in order to achieve this sound pressure level, which is realistic at home. For that, it is necessary to take into account the sensitivity specification of the speaker (hoping it is accurate and fairly measured...), the peak power output corresponding to the mean power specification of the amplifier (for sinus signal, peak power is double that of mean power) and a 3 dB gain due to the use of two speakers in stereo, speakers whose combined outputs will roughly add up to 3 dB in a room.

Application in musica's case :

Gain (in dB power) required to obtain 115 dB : 115 (aim) less 3 dB (gain of use of 2 speakers in stereo) less 91 dB (sensitivity of the actual speaker used), that give 21 dB of gain (115-3-21).

If 1 W set 0 dB, 21 dB will be around 130 W (10 log 130 = about 21).

Since we speak of a peak power requirement, that means that the power of the amplifier, which is specified with sinus signal, is half 130 W, that is 65 W.

For the reproduction in high fidelity of a realistic home instrument (a baby grand piano) at home with speakers of 91 dB/1W/1m sensitivity, the amplification power required is thus 65 W per channel.

Or course, the faithful reproduction of more robust instruments (church organ, percussion, orchestra) or music (electronic music with deep bass) would required more power to be listen to undistorted (if well recorded and produced).

Hence, 65 W per channels is a bare minimum, not a limit!

This way of thinking excludes some caveats (behaviour of specific amplifier, speaker power handling, crest factor of different musical genres, listening habit...) that are thoroughly addressed in the above mentioned leaflet, but I think that, in this day and age, when power is cheap and speakers have became more robust, it would add unnecessary complexity just to give a simple advise.
 
I always attack these issue from the recommendation once given by French speaker manufacturer Cabasse in a very well written leaflet from the '70s.

Considering that a baby grand piano can produce around 115 dB peak SPL at 1 m meter (for brief milliseconds) when playing fortissimo, Cabasse advocated to compute the power of amplifiers in order to achieve this sound pressure level, which is realistic at home. For that, it is necessary to take into account the sensitivity specification of the speaker (hoping it is accurate and fairly measured...), the peak power output corresponding to the mean power specification of the amplifier (for sinus signal, peak power is double that of mean power) and a 3 dB gain due to the use of two speakers in stereo, speakers whose combined outputs will roughly add up to 3 dB in a room.

Application in musica's case :

Gain (in dB power) required to obtain 115 dB : 115 (aim) less 3 dB (gain of use of 2 speakers in stereo) less 91 dB (sensitivity of the actual speaker used), that give 21 dB of gain (115-3-21).

If 1 W set 0 dB, 21 dB will be around 130 W (10 log 130 = about 21).

Since we speak of a peak power requirement, that means that the power of the amplifier, which is specified with sinus signal, is half 130 W, that is 65 W.

For the reproduction in high fidelity of a realistic home instrument (a baby grand piano) at home with speakers of 91 dB/1W/1m sensitivity, the amplification power required is thus 65 W per channel.

Or course, the faithful reproduction of more robust instruments (church organ, percussion, orchestra) or music (electronic music with deep bass) would required more power to be listen to undistorted (if well recorded and produced).

Hence, 65 W per channels is a bare minimum, not a limit!

This way of thinking excludes some caveats (behaviour of specific amplifier, speaker power handling, crest factor of different musical genres, listening habit...) that are thoroughly addressed in the above mentioned leaflet, but I think that, in this day and age, when power is cheap and speakers have became more robust, it would add unnecessary complexity just to give a simple advise.
To all the above,we have to subtract listening distance and EQ.
Stuff like DIRAC for example can cut a good chunk of it.
 
The Crown Audio 'System Design Tools' may be helpful for your purpose: see 'Amplifier Power Required'. Bear in mind Crown's calculator assumes a single loudspeaker, not a pair.

Personally I find I never listen above 90 dB and my average level is about 70-72 dB for Classical music, maybe up to 80 for Rock.
 
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this is the speaker, I listen closely and the room is about 20 square meters with 2 doors and a trap door with stairs, so I think a lot of SPL is lost
I will use miniDSP for Eq
 
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I have now connected a speaker to the system with these characteristics: FREQUENCY RESPONSE 71Hz – 21kHz +/- 3dB SENSITIVITY (SPL at 1M, half-space anechoic with 2.83V input) 91 dB (In-Room) POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 50W/200W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 ohms Compatible CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 1,770 Hz
 
I always attack these issue from the recommendation once given by French speaker manufacturer Cabasse in a very well written leaflet from the '70s.

Considering that a baby grand piano can produce around 115 dB peak SPL at 1 m meter (for brief milliseconds) when playing fortissimo, Cabasse advocated to compute the power of amplifiers in order to achieve this sound pressure level, which is realistic at home. For that, it is necessary to take into account the sensitivity specification of the speaker (hoping it is accurate and fairly measured...), the peak power output corresponding to the mean power specification of the amplifier (for sinus signal, peak power is double that of mean power) and a 3 dB gain due to the use of two speakers in stereo, speakers whose combined outputs will roughly add up to 3 dB in a room.

Application in musica's case :

Gain (in dB power) required to obtain 115 dB : 115 (aim) less 3 dB (gain of use of 2 speakers in stereo) less 91 dB (sensitivity of the actual speaker used), that give 21 dB of gain (115-3-21).

If 1 W set 0 dB, 21 dB will be around 130 W (10 log 130 = about 21).

Since we speak of a peak power requirement, that means that the power of the amplifier, which is specified with sinus signal, is half 130 W, that is 65 W.

For the reproduction in high fidelity of a realistic home instrument (a baby grand piano) at home with speakers of 91 dB/1W/1m sensitivity, the amplification power required is thus 65 W per channel.

Or course, the faithful reproduction of more robust instruments (church organ, percussion, orchestra) or music (electronic music with deep bass) would required more power to be listen to undistorted (if well recorded and produced).

Hence, 65 W per channels is a bare minimum, not a limit!

This way of thinking excludes some caveats (behaviour of specific amplifier, speaker power handling, crest factor of different musical genres, listening habit...) that are thoroughly addressed in the above mentioned leaflet, but I think that, in this day and age, when power is cheap and speakers have became more robust, it would add unnecessary complexity just to give a simple advise.
damn good comment.
 
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which boxes come best with this amplifier
 
With these speakers, for desktop use, if the sensitivity number is real (even if it's slightly inflated) you should be OK with any mainstream amp. Look at Amir's reviews / ranking and simply choose the first one that fits your budget and space constraints.
 
this is 3 way, the woofer is under the box
I thought the speaker in the picture was from the description in the post #8.
If you have both pairs of speakers, try them in your room and choose the one that suits you better.
According to the given data, both pairs have the same sensitivity and there should be no problem with the required power of the amplifier.
 
I think his speakers are Indiana Line Arbor 5.30.

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That model has a built-in subwoofer on the bottom of the box.
 
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this is the speaker, I listen closely and the room is about 20 square meters with 2 doors and a trap door with stairs, so I think a lot of SPL is lost
I will use miniDSP for Eq
Regardless of amplification, you should position the speaker significantly higher (tweeter at ear height, or maybe 5 cm lower).
 
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INDIANA Line Arbour 5.04 I didn't understand the difference with the arbur 5.30?
 
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