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Mobile Fidelity Analog Vinyl Controversy
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killdozzer
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Oh, I fully agree and it was still a blatant fraud. And it is not in hearing nor beliefs. It's in claiming "it's all analogue" when it isn't.
If I ask you for a medium strong glue and you give me a "better" super strong glue while saying it's medium, it's a fraud. In your mind it may seem you' were doing me a favour, but you lied in order to sell. It's a fraud.
Yep, That's why the believer clan is spinning so hard over all this, it really highlighted the "emperors new clothes" aspect
and made them publicly look so foooolish.
As to the rest of all this, anyone who knows me is aware of my digital - vinyl thoughts.
Any talk of sound quality aside, the day I got my first CD player and was able to put all the
PITA user inconvenience aspects of the LP aside, I was over the moon thrilled and that
feeling hasn't changed in the near 40 years since.
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Because they told you they were? Do you think Mofi was just given tapes to master for every single cd or vinyl issue they did before 2015. ..its nonsense. I havw sone mofi cos and they are compressed. Period. They are the polo shirt of audio.
The presence of compression doesn't prove MoFi was not accessing master tapes (or digital copies of master tapes). MoFi does its own mastering to what it gets. I think that is the thing people don't appreciate. They think the digital releases are all 'flat transfers', but even 'flat transfer' can involve choices, like proper Dolby decoding of an analog tape. (And of course, there's no such thing as a vinyl 'flat transfer' of a master tape)
+1Yep, That's why the believer clan is spinning so hard over all this, it really highlighted the "emperors new clothes" aspect
and made them publicly look so foooolish.
As to the rest of all this, anyone who knows me is aware of my digital - vinyl thoughts.
Any talk of sound quality aside, the day I got my first CD player and was able to put all the
PITA user inconvenience aspects of the LP aside, I was over the moon thrilled and that
feeling hasn't changed in the near 40 years since.
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Yes.
watchnerd
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Believe it or not, but analog master tapes copied to digital and then cut to LP still sound like LP on playback.
It doesn't turn an LP into a CD.
It doesn't turn an LP into a CD.
I’ve copied many LPs over the years using an Allen & Heath Xone 4D at 24/96, and in my experience there’s no audible difference it’s essentially a 1:1 copy.
That said, there’s a really interesting interview with Dr. Jennifer Groh (Duke University, Psychology & Neuroscience) about sensory integration, sound localization, and how our brains interpret sound:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...zation-and-the-neuroscience-of-thought.67264/
It’s a interesting video/podcast and sheds light on how we perceive audio, how our mental state affects listening, and why personal taste influences our preferences in equipment and sound.
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As did I. Almost 20 years ago before my retirement and move to FL, I ripped near 250 of my LP's to 16/44.1 or better digital files to archive them before I sold off the whole lot to a dealer. Since then the vast majority of those files have been replaced with modern digital remaster/remixes and the whole ripping process has shown itself to be a total waste of time. Ciao rice krispies, surface noise, inner grove distortion, mono'd bass and all the rest.
Digital has gotten so good, I have no desire to play records. I like digital transfers with good DAC. Vinyl adds coloration that the vinyl people like. Nostalgia. If that's what you like, it's fine with me. I think DSP could be used to add similar coloration. And digital offers perfect repeatability every time you play it.
It was already that good decades ago.
Not like it is now. I'm cheap. Some of the inexpensive DACs reviewed here are incredible values. Many digital transfers are better. Remixes too.
Certainly DACs are totally commodified at this point. It's silly to pay $$$ for them to get 'better sound'. But that was also true decades ago. Human hearing hasn't changed and digital could do ruler-flat 20Hz-20kHz then too (and most adult hearing started crapping out at 16Hz then, too) . Better digital transfers began happening already in the late 80s/early 90s , the first age of 'remasters', when record companies began unearthing master tapes from the vaults and things like 24 bit transfer came in. But then, onl;y slightly after, a wave of overuse of digital dynamic range compression swept in and overtook the grand remastering project -- the loudness wars began circa 1995. So from then on for awhile we got better sourcing, but worse mastering. That has not gone away, though it's gotten better, at least for legacy albums.
Good you were able to replace your LPs with quality digital format versions. However, there is music on LP that has never (and may never) be released in any digital format. There are also some recordings that when were released in digital format but altered by re-recording tracks or changes to the mix, and therefore the original LPs have artistic value.As did I. Almost 20 years ago before my retirement and move to FL, I ripped near 250 of my LP's to 16/44.1 or better digital files to archive them before I sold off the whole lot to a dealer. Since then the vast majority of those files have been replaced with modern digital remaster/remixes and the whole ripping process has shown itself to be a total waste of time. Ciao rice krispies, surface noise, inner grove distortion, mono'd bass and all the rest.
Wow, this could a whole separate thread as I'm sure that many members here with record collections have albums that never were released in digital format. Anyway, here are some random examples from my listening over the past few days:
The great jazz trumpet player, Hannibal Marvin Peterson's album "Naima" released in 1978 on Eastworld (japan), it was a direct to disc recording, which by the way featured such jazz luminaries as Cecil McBee, Diedre Murray and Billy Hart.
Audio Encores, a short lived label, released about seven albums in around 10980 -81. These were re-recordings (or more correctly, new interpretations) of some classic rock and soul songs of the early '60s late '50s performed by the original artists in a (at that time) state of the art studio, artists included Little Richard, Chubby Checker, Jan & Dean, and several others.
The Grateful Dead, first album, original mono mix, was reissued once on record store day around 2011 in a limited edition on an AAA mastered LP only. Other than that reissue only the original LP was released in mono.
These are just some random examples from my collection. I am certain that other members here have numerous LPs which have not seen the light of day as digital format reissues, thus an audio system without a turntable is limited to what market forces (and extant masters) deem suitable for digital reissue, losing some artistically/musically worthwhile material.
It's an excerpt, one track, with degraded audio quality, and little doubt disseminated without permission of the rights holder or payment of royalties to the musicians, and only available so long as it remains on the website. No substitute for the real thing!
