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Energy Speakers

I've been rocking an Energy 5.0 system for about a decade and a half: two towers, center, and sats. Not the Veritas line, sadly, just the budget C-series. Has always sounded pretty damn good to me. Not sure what to do with them when I go all Revel in-wall for my new place. Seems a waste to trash them, still work just fine (although I think I have heard a crackling sound from the tweeter now and again). Don't think I could find a buyer for them though.
 
The Reference Connoisseur ("RC") series were well regarded and there are lots of reviews out there. The ones in the posts above are the RC-10 bookshelf model, but they also had 3 tower versions, center channel and surround. They often showed up in the BEST OF under $1000 or $2000 lists.

The Veritas series were there top of the line, but were much more rare than the RC series.

They had several budget lines below the RC series - they were "good for the money".

Klipsch bought Energy (and Mirage) in 2006.

Still running after 19 years

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The Reference Connoisseur ("RC") series were well regarded and there are lots of reviews out there. The ones in the posts above are the RC-10 bookshelf model, but they also had 3 tower versions, center channel and surround. They often showed up in the BEST OF under $1000 or $2000 lists.

The Veritas series were there top of the line, but were much more rare than the RC series.

They had several budget lines below the RC series - they were "good for the money".

Klipsch bought Energy (and Mirage) in 2006.

The RC wasn't good sounding or measuring iirc. I had the smallest RCs and I had to redesign the crossover to make them sound passable.
 
Energy is a speaker brand created in 1973 by the Canadian company API headed by George Baker. Their earliest speaker models included the Energy 1, Energy 2 and Energy 3. In 1982 the Energy Pro22, one of their new speakers under development, was entered last minute in a large speaker comparison study run by the CNRC (Canadian National Research Council, presided over by Floyd Toole) and came out ahead in its class.
The scientifically conducted double blind study determined that the properties of flat frequency response, wide dispersion and low distortion were the factors that precipitated the highest scores during the comprehensive three day listening trials. Some of the other speakers, in addition to the Energy Pro22, that scored very high in this large study (300 speakers, 2000 listeners) included the JBL L112, PSB Avante, Passif II and the KEF R105. There were 3 versions of the Energy 22: the original Energy Pro22 (1982), and the slightly later Energy 22 Reference (refined for studio use), and Energy 22 Reference Connoisseur (highest end version). The Energy 22 Reference was subsequently chosen by the CBC as their reference monitor speaker for several years along with Canadian stereo magazine Hi-Fi Sound / Ultra High Fidelity. The Energy 22 Reference was also chosen for use in early joint USA / Canadian CD copy protection trials because of its superior resolution.
 
Before reading on how modern AVR surround speaker should be, not dipol, I purchased these (not my video)
 
The 3 versions of the Pro22 can be distinguished thus:
the standard version has its port on the rear,
the CBC version has the port on front to allow the speaker to be mounted close to a wall in small studios;
the Ref Con has the port built into its base, the base being part of the cabinet and its stand.
 
Before reading on how modern AVR surround speaker should be, not dipol, I purchased these (not my video)

I'm unsure what your comment means. From what I've read in the manual, the RVSS speakers are dipole. The would be better as bipole if that's what you meant:

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ELkerton - you are correct. Here is the original Energy brochure clearly describing the differences among these three speakers. The Energy 22 Reference and Energy Reference Connoisseur were both built with significantly tighter tolerance targets than the Pro22, including very close driver matching and somewhat better crossover components. The built in base of the Energy Reference Connoisseur also included a slot shaped port which smoothly extended its bass response lower.
 

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I wish I could believe that the CBC versions and the Ref Cons were built to tighter tolerances. Maybe they were, but it sounds like clever marketing, and I sold them and still own a pair of the standard ones.
 
I can certainly understand you skepticism Elkerton however some online forum discussions clearly describe and even illustrate somewhat better crossover components in the Reference and Reference Connoisseur versions when compared to the Pro22. There is at least one magazine review that also substantiates some differences (if you can trust the review). Perhaps we will get a chance to compare your Energy Pro22 with my Energy 22 Reference someday. It would actually be interesting if Amir could test them both, however I doubt there is enough interest to make that worthwhile today. Such a comparison would be inconclusive anyway because a speaker's response can easily change significantly over 30+ years.
 
The 3 versions of the Pro22 can be distinguished thus:
the standard version has its port on the rear,
the CBC version has the port on front to allow the speaker to be mounted close to a wall in small studios;
the Ref Con has the port built into its base, the base being part of the cabinet and its stand.

I used to work in electronics retail in the 1980s and we carried the Energy 22 lineup so it is nice nostalgia remembering all the familiar models. We could buy them at cost, so most in the store owned one version or another and I have listened to all 3 still enjoying the References. These speakers retailed for $800 but had the performance of speakers costing many x as much. They were kind of ubiquitous too for awhile after a national marketing campaign, like the Bose 901 , kind of another first in a truly recognizable brand name and model.

We all loved them, w their accuracy it was amazing what you could hear in the music compared to any previous speakers you owned. Their bass response was by far better than anything I had ever heard before either, like the reviews say they were almost sub woofing. They were made w the best materials as well. The tweeter( actually it was a dual tweeter w a dome sitting inside a cup so the speaker is really 3 way, was made of egyptian cotton vs the standard carbon fibre and the woofer was made of polypropylene again better than carbon paper. The cabinets were 3/4" press board. I recall they used to call it the $1M tweeter because that was how much was spent on its design and engineering.
Here is a post from Winslow Burhoe who did much of the design work on the 22 w the National Research Council. http://directacoustics.com/?page_id=128


I couldn't hear the difference between the 22s and the Ref 22s that much but you can definitely hear the bass difference between the Reference connoisseur and the other 2 models. I was young and moving a lot so went w the ref 22s, the others were kind of beasts to move around lol.
 
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Anyone have experience with the Connoisseur C-8 specifically?
I'd love to hear what they're like!
 
I'm another one who has been running an Energy Ref Con system since 2007 - RC-70 fronts, RC-LCR centre, and 3xRC-RCR surrounds, along with some Polk OWM3 for a top Atmos/Auro3D layer and 2 PSB Subsonic 6i subwoofers. I currently have them in a ~ 17'x20'x7' room with the base layer powered by my Marantz SR7013 AVR and the top layer by my old Yamaha RXV1200. When I had a bigger room and the Yamaha was my main AVR, I ran the RC70s with a 200WPC Adcom GFA555 and the centre with a Adcom GFA545II. The RCs loved getting the power but I sold the Adcoms after finding the Marantz was enough for my needs.

When I bought this system, the other two main competitors were systems based on the Paradigm Studio 60/100, and the Focal Chorus 826/836V. Although all three systems were similarly priced at MSRP, once Future Shop started selling RCs the prices dropped like crazy - despite my preference for the Focal or Paradigm systems, the actual cash difference ended up being huge due to my being in a small, isolated market with no competiton between dealers.
 
Before Klipsch itself was sold last year, they sold their Energy and Jamo speaker brands to a pair of companies in China that had partnered with Klipsch to manufacture and distribute products.

A press release mentions plans for Jamo but not for the Energy brand.



AC4L dot com still shows new samples of an Energy-branded soundbar system and a 5.1 speaker package that was reviewed by Audioholics in November 2007.


 
I used to work in electronics retail in the 1980s and we carried the Energy 22 lineup so it is nice nostalgia remembering all the familiar models. We could buy them at cost, so most in the store owned one version or another and I have listened to all 3 still enjoying the References. These speakers retailed for $800 but had the performance of speakers costing many x as much. They were kind of ubiquitous too for awhile after a national marketing campaign, like the Bose 901 , kind of another first in a truly recognizable brand name and model.

We all loved them, w their accuracy it was amazing what you could hear in the music compared to any previous speakers you owned. Their bass response was by far better than anything I had ever heard before either, like the reviews say they were almost sub woofing. They were made w the best materials as well. The tweeter( actually it was a dual tweeter w a dome sitting inside a cup so the speaker is really 3 way, was made of egyptian cotton vs the standard carbon fibre and the woofer was made of polypropylene again better than carbon paper. The cabinets were 3/4" press board. I recall they used to call it the $1M tweeter because that was how much was spent on its design and engineering.
Here is a post from Winslow Burhoe who did much of the design work on the 22 w the National Research Council. http://directacoustics.com/?page_id=128


I couldn't hear the difference between the 22s and the Ref 22s that much but you can definitely hear the bass difference between the Reference connoisseur and the other 2 models. I was young and moving a lot so went w the ref 22s, the others were kind of beasts to move around lol.
I have owned all 3 versions at some point, still 2 pairs of Reference Connoisseurs in the house and used. They all use the same drivers, so sound signature is very similar, but the Ref Conns have much better low end as you noted. I eventually sold or stripped the drivers for spares from the smaller stand mounted versions. If you keep the tweeters refreshed, these are still some darn good sounding 2-ways even compared to “modern” designs. Not many 2-ways with small mid-woofers that can dig as deep as the Ref conns. No subwoofer needed with those.
 
I've owned some including Veritas v2.8 and later "v" series, and listened to v1.8. IMO the sweet spot is Veritas v1.8, which IMO is a better design than the later v2.2 series.
Veritas v1.8 and v2.8 were the true high end models IMO.

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I've owned some including Veritas v2.8 and later "v" series, and listened to v1.8. IMO the sweet spot is Veritas v1.8, which IMO is a better design than the later v2.2 series.
Veritas v1.8 and v2.8 were the true high end models IMO.

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Have you ever had the opportunity to compare to
the earlier Energy 22 series speakers?
 
No, but those were from 1980's vs 1990's for the Veritas series.
If as good as the 22’s, they are a mighty fine speaker. I still play and enjoy my 22’s. I recall trying to find some Veritas at some point after they were no longer made but came up empty. They sold a LOT of 22’s so easier to find.
 
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