Ismapics
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Here is my take, I read his review an watched the video https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...gure-lawsuit-over-a-review.55729/post-2029438
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dCS threatens with a 7-figure lawsuit over a review
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Ismapics
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Cameron has the data tests, he says (it's in his site now) it tests really good. What we wound consider green columns here. The he creates a video blabbering about "Dull, Skrillex not fatiguing, Soft, leading ages, blunted" and meaning less adjectives. The lawsuit has no merit, but I wish it would go on so all these talkign heads have to call their blabber something else not reviews but rather opinion pieces / editorials. Take out the objectiveness view they have.
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Wow, someone actually in favor of SLAPPs!
I'm slowly coming around to entertaining the possibility that well-measuring DACs can sound different to young/trained ears. We spend a lot of time comparing measurements, and I believe this is the way to go. But I think there are still significant gaps when it comes to determining what measurement deficiencies are audible. Most likely just the filter, but who knows? Exhibit A is Cameron's own meticulous testing. I know he got dragged at ASR for his "misleading," "click-bait" headline, and confusing presentation of methodology. But I thought it was a pretty good demonstration that a high tap sinc filter such as can be found in the Chord products can possibly be detected. Exhibit B is Archimago's latest blind test, which I'd consider "suggestive" more than "probative," yet still it opens door to possibilities. Again, filters may be at play, which would be consistent with that Meridian study that Amir mentioned during the recent Goldensound brouhaha.
That doesn't mean I agree with the subjective approach to reviewing. Just because the objective approach is imperfect doesn't mean that subjective is better. Subjective is worse still. But Cameron has demonstrated some pretty remarkably hearing and he may have been able to pick up on some stuff. All those ultrasonics can cause problems in the audible band, after all, depending on the amp it's connected to.
Here we go again... 
Don't forget that even in that test where he believes he hears a difference, he states.
1- it was due to small FR differences above 20KHz (For a 20KHz cut off filter. So at a higher sample rate with a higher frequency filter, he would not hear it.
2 - and more importantly - the difference was so small, and so difficult to detect it would not matter. In other words it's not enough to create a preference - and certainly not in the region of "Dull, skrillex is not fatiguing, Soft, leading ages, blunted"
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What worries me the most is what this does to small review platforms and those who are just starting out. Who has been targeted in the past and took down their review or altered their review? Who is just simply affraid to be honest? If only the thought crosses their mind that they might not be able to get new review samples in the future could colour the tone of a review. But the knowledge that large corporations are capable of putting you in financial ruin, is 100% going to have an effect on small time reviewers. And let's be honest, even if this leads to people not trusting online reviews in general, the evil corporations win.
For those who aren't aware, these issues extend to automotive and photography reviews as well. Not only as threats to censor bad reviews but also invitations to special trips to encourage good reviews.
"Do Bad Reviews Kill Companies?" by Marques Brownlee:
Follow up by Linus Tech Tips:
"Camera Reviews Need to Change.." by Gerald Undone:
"Influencers Should Not Get Special Treatment" by Linus Tech Tips:
We desperately need the bigger reviewers to protect the smaller ones and protect the internet as a safe environment for honest consumer advice. There should also be laws in place that prevent a more powerful, wealthy entity to use the legal system to intimidate people.
For those who aren't aware, these issues extend to automotive and photography reviews as well. Not only as threats to censor bad reviews but also invitations to special trips to encourage good reviews.
"Do Bad Reviews Kill Companies?" by Marques Brownlee:
"Camera Reviews Need to Change.." by Gerald Undone:
"Influencers Should Not Get Special Treatment" by Linus Tech Tips:
We desperately need the bigger reviewers to protect the smaller ones and protect the internet as a safe environment for honest consumer advice. There should also be laws in place that prevent a more powerful, wealthy entity to use the legal system to intimidate people.
napfkuchen
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So a youtuber specialized in audiophool trash-talk is about to be sued by a manufacturer of audiophool devices. That's not a loss for anybody.
@amirm well done sir for standing up and being honest both with Goldensound and Erin, neither of whom are great friends of yours.
We don't need reviewers to agree or be friends, but simply to be honest in your opinions, at that point we have to listen and make up our own minds.
I have sometimes disagreed with your interpretations of the data and been unconvinced by your conclusions, etc. but I have never felt, even for a minute, that you were dishonest - to the contrary, you have repeatedly shown your integrity.
Bravo.
We don't need reviewers to agree or be friends, but simply to be honest in your opinions, at that point we have to listen and make up our own minds.
I have sometimes disagreed with your interpretations of the data and been unconvinced by your conclusions, etc. but I have never felt, even for a minute, that you were dishonest - to the contrary, you have repeatedly shown your integrity.
Bravo.
Unfortunately this is not the case.
Whatever nonsense a reviewer says, he must be free to express his opinion in good faith and share it, the moment this right were to cease, the entire concept of freedom would be put at risk. Today it happens to him, but it could happen to Amir, it could be a way to silence inconvenient reviewers even if they say sensible things.
It doesn't matter whether you like his reviews or not or whether you share them or not, the important thing is that he has guaranteed the right to have opinions and share them freely.
martijn86
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Even if you hate a reviewer with every fiber in your body, you should be worried about the bigger picture.
I think there's a poem for that. Something along the lines of, "First they came for Cameron and I did not speak out because I didn't like Cameron."
Every reviewer should feel absolutely no worry about sharing their opinion on a product. Otherwise they're just a tool for corporate to mislead consumers.
I don’t mind them taking Cameron but I would fight for Amir, and should they be allowed to share opinions which are at best fallacious?
Keith
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Tekton went after such a reviewer and when he caved, he went after me and then Erin. We have to stand up to what is right. And what dCS did, is not right. Companies need to follow fair and proper protocols in engaging reviewers. This is what every reviewer deserves.
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Increasingly, the jig is up for highend nonsense. dCS is learning the hard way.
Of course you should support the right of someone to express fallacious opinions.
If everything is fine as long as it happens to someone you don't like, then you assist in undermining the moral foundations of our civilisation. Leads nowhere good.
napfkuchen
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The situation was very different with Erin. While it might not be correct in legal terms both dCS and Goldensound are a fraud to me. It's reviewers like Goldensound who keep hifi enthusiasts in the "new gear treadmill".
That's part of the attraction for the market segment they are aimed at. At the very high end, lowering prices often hurts sales of the product. Buyers want exclusivity and status. That's what they are paying for. Beautiful cosmetics and a high price are essential elements of that.
There are known cases where a minor cosmetic refresh and a large price increase helped sales - with no change in performance or change of internals.
dCS are probably quite happy getting glowing subjective reviews from the usual suspects. Negative reviews are almost unknown for them - that's probably why the GS review bothers them so much.
Not a question of like or dislike Cameron doesn’t tell the truth.
DCS/Cameron both as bad as each other.
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