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Bob Clearmountain home and studio destroyed by Palisades fire | he and family are safe

One of ASR's organizing discussions is time scales governed by science. We know the time scale of full cycle of audio on fiber, wire, and in air.

What is the time it takes a fire to spread, the time for climate warming, the time to call for the fire department/response/success? Think time, and time for feedback to correct any system.

ASR participants are home owners or renters.

Our towns and homes have a time from construction, time cycles of value appreciation, a lifetime, and our improvements, in years. That can be wiped out in months or a year by insurance companies unwilling to insure for fire.

Insurance is not an infinite sink built on corruption. Insurance collects premiums and pays claims. Friends have been risk management/insurance executives in very large companies. Insurance companies have public tax returns, are regulated, and they extend their pool into big global reinsurance. Current events will increase property insurance costs for all.

I could expand into a longform on climate, but I don't think ASR is my platform for that.
 
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If you want to track policy backwards in time there was the 1963 Clean Air Act about air particle count control. The salient fact is that California could have since promoted controlled burns utilizing the Policy Act Review procedures if it had acted. The repeated extensive Calif. fires release more massive incidents of air particles than isolated episodes of properly organized controlled burns would and state affiliated scientists must have figured that out.

Meanwhile popular scientific theory went from ice ball earth, to global warming and anxiety over CO2 in the air. You presumably want the "smoking gun" tape recording, the public officials' server emails, hard copy original signed memos of who/what/when/where and accusations of a conspiracy cover up. I simply contend carbon capture was an additional increasingly formative rationale in the thinking of those who decided not to promote controlled burns.
 
If you want to track policy backwards in time there was the 1963 Clean Air Act about air particle count control. The salient fact is that California could have since promoted controlled burns utilizing the Policy Act Review procedures if it had acted. The repeated extensive Calif. fires release more massive incidents of air particles than isolated episodes of properly organized controlled burns would and state affiliated scientists must have figured that out.

Meanwhile popular scientific theory went from ice ball earth, to global warming and anxiety over CO2 in the air. You presumably want the "smoking gun" tape recording, the public officials' server emails, hard copy original signed memos of who/what/when/where and accusations of a conspiracy cover up. I simply contend carbon capture was an additional increasingly formative rationale in the thinking of those who decided not to promote controlled burns.
I spent a lot of time in California and suspected your rant was more political than anything. We could go back to when the europeans stole the land from the native americans. In 1963 I don't believe global warming was much of a subject in any case.
 
I spent a lot of time in Cal ………
And I suspected your supposed interest was a self serving dopamine gambit. As expected your response is predictably so, replete with an unrelated digression into "the land" and disingenuous "in any case" contextual referenced time line.

We are treading into an argument which the moderators will not approve of. Therefore I shall leave you to respond as you undoubtably will and refrain from responding.
 
And I suspected your supposed interest was a self serving dopamine gambit. As expected your response is predictably so, replete with an unrelated digression into "the land" and disingenuous "in any case" contextual referenced time line.

We are treading into an argument which the moderators will not approve of. Therefore I shall leave you to respond as you undoubtably will and refrain from responding.
Uh huh. LOL self serving dopamine gambit is pretty funny, tho.
 
After the fire is out then the people must find tradespeople and laborers to rebuild. In Canada a couple of cities that burned to the ground are still not rebuilt years later.
Is that because they think the fires will be back?
 
Is that because they think the fires will be back?
Not enough people to do the work. There is a shortage of tradespeople and laborers to work with them. Government is encouraging employers to hire apprentices and that seems to be making some change.
 
In Canada the forest roads are sometimes shut down for access. Dirt bikes and outdoor equipment without spark arresters are not allowed. No fires, no BBQ, no stoves outside and no outside fireplaces etc. A near total shutdown. It works but in recent years we still lost some cities. One small little city went up in ~20 minutes it was so fast due to extreme winds and bush around the near desert area around the city. Very hot, dry and windy and they figure a spark from train rails caused it.
A fire in BC started when a car hit a power pole and knocked the transformer down. Sparks started the fire. And then theres lightning. You dont need humans to start forest fires, but we dont help.
 
Pacific Palisades, California fire is in the news and updates I've been seeing indicate the destruction is massive (over 5,000 homes/businesses lost). Thought some would like to know what it once looked like (picture doesn't show the housing tracts that were built on the flat land up above beyond the cliffs). Photo below is from the 1940s (in case someone unsure of the naming "palisades" refers to cliffs). I've been seeing current photos of residential areas' destruction but see no purpose in click baiting such tragedy.

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Topanga Beach, California also has burned. Here's an old picture of the town to remember it by.

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Discussion of politics is not helpful. Discussion on policies are. However, policies are tied to politics and ideology, I hope that we on ASR can divorce the two.

I am a big fan of architecture, and my worry is that there are a number of architecturally significant homes in the Pacific Palisades. These include a large number of the "Case Study Houses" designed in collaboration with John Entenza, including:

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The Dr. Stuart Bailey House by Richard Neutra

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The Eames House.

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Eleanor's Retreat by Frank Lloyd Wright.

I weep for loss of cultural treasures as much as I do for people who have lost their lives. What a tragedy.
 
Nothing specific,just a sane coverage with facts from experts away from the blaming game and gossip.
By the way,the link @A Surfer posted above is decent,thanks for that.
You could try BBC news. While it does have a slight left lean, it is free of most of the "local" (USAnain) divisional politics.
 
Lest we forget, available data from NASA shows a downward trend in fires/acerage burned on a global scale. The current conflagration in California does (to me) show signs of causation where human development driven by modern technology butts up against local topo/geographical features that expose us to recurring phenomena (brushfires, windpatterns) where the precautions against said phenomena have not followed suit with the rate of overall development. Indeed, as highlighted by Soandso, we may even apply what can be termes as faulty policies (on a micro/local level) to «adress» a macro issue. Somewhat like settlements built on floodplains - as these expand, you will continually get flooded. More human activity/presence in such locations = increased reporting of incidents and outcomes, and is often then used as «evidence» in the currently ongoing climate debate.

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Source: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/90493/researchers-detect-a-global-drop-in-fires
 
1898 "The Great Fire" viewed from up in the San Gabriel Mountains staging point for the trail up to Mount Wilson. That canyon fire was 126 years ago when mules, horses and wheeled wagons were the means of moving anything. The town in the valley near this trail was founded only 20 years earlier.


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Was just watching a bit of news, some idiot flying a drone illegally just took out one of your loaner superscooper planes (put a hole in a wing). F***ing people.
The FBI recovered drone parts and is pursuing the investigation:
 
The FBI recovered drone parts and is pursuing the investigation:
That's not some idiot.
That's someone mean,insecure,little a person who probably only cared to upload the video on SM and get some likes to make its little ego a bit bigger.
Sad.
 
The FBI recovered drone parts and is pursuing the investigation:
Wow - difficult to believe a consumer drone could pierce the skin of an aircraft like that.

Someone is going to be having a seriously bad day when the FBI trace it back to them.
 
Wow - difficult to believe a consumer drone could pierce the skin of an aircraft like that.

Someone is going to be having a seriously bad day when the FBI trace it back to them.
Yes, interfering with emergency responders, flying a drone when they are banned for the meanwhile etc must carry hefty punishments. Especially when the result is a $30 million dollar aircraft is damaged.
 
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