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I still think Star Wars missed a trick by not just filming Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, with the exception of Rogue One I think the Thrawn stories have been the only additions to the originally trilogy that really worked.
Based on the Ahsoka Tano episodes in The Mandalorian, it looks like Thrawn will be in her series - whenever that starts.
 

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I still think Star Wars missed a trick by not just filming Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, with the exception of Rogue One I think the Thrawn stories have been the only additions to the originally trilogy that really worked.
This I fully agree with. I think doing the Zahn books as movies would have been much better than some of those they made.
 
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I guess isn’t Obi-One Cucknobi now after this weeks installment…?

Also, I’d like to know more about tunnel physics in the Star Wars universe…
 
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Funny when you're watching Better Call Saul at the same time. There, they make an incredible effort to ensure that every action of the characters makes sense and is comprehensible at that moment, and how it still results in an exciting story.
In these children's series, whether Obi Wankin or Stranger Things - none of that, but you cover everywhere with a warm blanket of childhood memories, 80s music, flashy spaceships, then it will click anyway.
Even I watch it... :-(
Sometimes you need this braindead content somehow to shut down after a day at work. Is it really designed that way, are the makers so incredibly incompetent and idiotic or do the makers really think their viewers are that stupid?
 

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I guess isn’t Obi-One Cucknobi now after this weeks installment…?

Also, I’d like to know more about tunnel physics in the Star Wars universe…
The whole episode was brain damaged stupid. Like it was written by 4 year olds, not very bright 4 year olds. I mean every scene has multiple elements that offend your sensibility for reason, continuity, consistency and actions that are out of character. Like the tunnels. How can you mess up tunnels? Well just watch the episode. Well I'm just going to stop here. Would be a huge post to list all that is wrong. I don't know if I'll watch another one this one is so bad.
 

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The whole episode was brain damaged stupid. Like it was written by 4 year olds, not very bright 4 year olds. I mean every scene has multiple elements that offend your sensibility for reason, continuity, consistency and actions that are out of character. Like the tunnels. How can you mess up tunnels? Well just watch the episode. Well I'm just going to stop here. Would be a huge post to list all that is wrong. I don't know if I'll watch another one this one is so bad.
The fact that by now nobody objected to my post speaks volumes.

Once again KK managed to destroy yet another of the classic Star Wars characters :facepalm:.
 

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I think a big part of the problem in Hollywood and TV nowadays is the 'franchise' concept. Now that things like Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel etc are 'franchises' it demands a production line of content, in just about all cases the demand for content seems to outstrip the supply of good ideas and as things go on producers get ever less interested in maintaining narrative consistency, and go for ideas such as multiverses so they can keep re-inventing the same wheels endlessly. One reason the old sit-com Fawlty Towers is such a masterpiece is that they made 12 episodes of exquisitely crafted comedy and moved on. As positive as I am about the return to RTD to Doctor Who (to thread jump) I am sceptical of rumours that he will go down the franchise route with lots of spin offs (he already did it in his first stint, with Torchwood and the Sarah Jane Adventures) and possibly a multiverse. Stories and characters are constantly diluted, quality is sacrificed to maintaining output of new content and it just gets boring. Although in fairness, Star Trek Strange New Worlds is an exception and is the first new Star Trek for many years that I have enjoyed.
 

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I think a big part of the problem in Hollywood and TV nowadays is the 'franchise' concept. Now that things like Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel etc are 'franchises' it demands a production line of content, in just about all cases the demand for content seems to outstrip the supply of good ideas and as things go on producers get ever less interested in maintaining narrative consistency, and go for ideas such as multiverses so they can keep re-inventing the same wheels endlessly. One reason the old sit-com Fawlty Towers is such a masterpiece is that they made 12 episodes of exquisitely crafted comedy and moved on. As positive as I am about the return to RTD to Doctor Who (to thread jump) I am sceptical of rumours that he will go down the franchise route with lots of spin offs (he already did it in his first stint, with Torchwood and the Sarah Jane Adventures) and possibly a multiverse. Stories and characters are constantly diluted, quality is sacrificed to maintaining output of new content and it just gets boring. Although in fairness, Star Trek Strange New Worlds is an exception and is the first new Star Trek for many years that I have enjoyed.
Not giving the team on Obi-Wan Kenobi a pass on this. The last episode is very poor for a high school drama class. No excuse for that. Some people should have their feet held to the fire on this.
 

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People who take this stuff way too seriously should also remember that it was originally made for 12 year olds. I haven't seen a change in that.
 

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People who take this stuff way too seriously should also remember that it was originally made for 12 year olds. I haven't seen a change in that.
12 year olds are not that stupid :facepalm:

If you would have said “made by 12 year olds”, I would have bought it.

Bedsides, Disney should take this seriously, they are the ones not making a lot of money over it.
 

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12 year olds are not that stupid :facepalm:

If you would have said “made by 12 year olds”, I would have bought it.

Bedsides, Disney should take this seriously, they are the ones not making a lot of money over it.
Yes they are, they are dumber.
It's not a matter of "buying" it, it's what Lucas himself said.

Bear this in mind when a product that is made for kids gets you angry for no reason.

If you watch the Pitch Meetings on YT for the OT you'll find plenty of faults too, but you watched them likely the first time when you were young, and you didn't notice.
Same thing is happening now.

Disney says SW will go on forever, they will easily make more than 4 billion out of this.

Also, Lucas said the real money is in toys
 
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Yes they are, they are dumber.
It's not a matter of "buying" it, it's what Lucas himself said.
So we find this out 40-year later? :facepalm:
Bear this in mind when a product that is made for kids gets you angry for no reason.
Even if it were just for kids, I have all kinds of reasons to object to this shit.
If you watch the Pitch Meetings on YT for the OT you'll find plenty of faults too, but you watched them likely the first time when you were young, and you didn't notice.
Same things is happening now.
It’s not the same, by a longshot!
Disney says SW will go on forever, they will easily make more than 4 billion out of this.
Disney says… well I’m convinced now..
 

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In itself, I don't find the commercialism so tragic. The Marvel films aren't exactly art-house cinema either, but they are (mostly) entertaining and (mostly) at least halfway coherent.
The Mandalorian I found trivial (reminded me of Stargate SG-1) and not sophisticated, but even that was in itself so far somewhat comprehensible.

Obi Wan I find so far just so brutally badly written in some parts (i.e. the way it was constructed, that certain characters escape others or not), that it seems as if they had simply made no effort. Of course, you can try to overlook that and still find it entertaining, but it's actually a shame when you think about how many resources were put into it.
 

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So we find this out 40-year later? :facepalm:

Even if it were just for kids, I have all kinds of reasons to object to this shit.

It’s not the same, by a longshot!

Disney says… well I’m convinced now..
No, we knew it back then too. Just watch at all the toys.
OK, then don't watch it.
How would you react to Ewoks now? C'mon, they can fight the space-Nazis?
Sure, they bought it for 4 billion for nothing.

C'mon

Disney has said they made a mistake with the trilogy, obviously they need for instance to plan 3 movies in advance before starting filming so that they don't mess up once again as they did with two different directors and two very different tones to the movies. The 2nd of the sequels starts like Space Balls 2, totally different tone to it. When the third movie came out anyone would know you couldn't save the trilogy.
I watched it anyway knowing this perfectly well so at least I was not disappointed.
 

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I went to see 'Star Wars' and 'Battlestar Galactica' at the cinema when they first came out.

Even at 8 years old I was able to work out that one was brilliant and the other was schlock.

Are 12 year olds today not as discriminating?

Was the genius of the original Star Wars film, and it's runaway success, not down to the fact that both children and adults could appreciate it on their own levels? As with lots of other hugely successful films and TV shows ('Toy Story', 'The Simpsons' etc).

'It's only for children so it doesn't need to be any good' is not a motto for success.
 

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I love Star Wars, and yet I have decided to ignore and boycott everything that Disney releases from it. That is how bad it has gotten for me, very unfortunately...
 

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It's not only for children but they are the main target

Watch this if you are OK with the older trilogies made fun of, including the OT
 

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No, we knew it back then too. Just watch at all the toys.
You mean the onces at the clearance section because nobody wants them (except for Baby Yoda)?

Strange though that this little factoid is touted as the latest revelation from Lucas. And he said “intended” not “made for”. Those are different things. And there is this:

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OK, then don't watch it.
How would you react to Ewoks now? C'mon, they can fight the space-Nazis?
All hail Ewoks! Ewoks are fantastic, then and now!
Sure, they bought it for 4 billion for nothing.
Well, they surely act like it. They could have raked in billions more by now if it were not for the shenanigans you describe (amongst other things):
Disney has said they made a mistake with the trilogy, obviously they need for instance to plan 3 movies in advance before starting filming so that they don't mess up once again as they did with two different directors and two very different tones to the movies.
“Obviously” is they key word here ;)
The 2nd of the sequels starts like Space Balls 2, totally different tone to it. When the third movie came out anyone would know you couldn't save the movie.
I watched it anyway knowing this perfectly well so at least I was not disappointed.
Well, the sequels are also heavily criticized, so nothing new there.
 

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You mean the onces at the clearance section because nobody wants them (except for Baby Yoda)?

Strange though that this little factoid is touted as the latest revelation from Lucas. And he said “intended” not “made for”. Those are different things. And there is this:

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All hail Ewoks! Ewoks are fantastic, then and now!

Well, they surely act like it. They could have raked in billions more by now if it were not for the shenanigans you describe (amongst other things):

“Obviously” is they key word here ;)

Well, the sequels are also heavily criticized, so nothing new there.
Let's again go to the original creator
https://www.indiewire.com/2015/01/a...as-slams-empty-hollywood-blockbusters-267636/
"But Lucas isn’t entirely lacking self awareness: he conceded the source of his massive wealth: “All the money is in the action figures.”"
You saying he's wrong? If you make toys for a movie, then you certainly target the kiddies. Obviously the older folks have the money but kids can push parents into buying this and that.

Ewoks were crap then and now. In no way suitable for a battlefield. They were the Jar Jar of the time.

And the OT has tons of faults too... which a lot of the older folks won't admit
 
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