"Things that cannot be measured"

[ahofer]

Coincidence?
I think not.

Definitely not. The musicians surrounding Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell, Miles Davis, Paul Simon, Tony Bennett, Art Blakey (to name a few great band assemblers) are always extraordinary.

 

[BDWoody]

He spent a fair amount of quality time playing sessions with (for is probably more accurate) Mssrs. Becker and Fagen (i.e., Steely Dan).

If that's not an endorsement, I'm not sure what would be.

 

[egellings]

Microsecond perfect music--bah, humbug!

 

[im_gumby]

My honest guess is that they likely do nothing(like every other cable measured), but I suppose it's possible they degrade the sound in some way. Simple copper wire is already 100% perfect, so if the MIT cable is different in any way, it's guaranteed to be worse than the simple copper.

I'm sure many have heard a difference, but I think the most likely explanation for that is either placebo, or demo sleight of hand(several cable manufacturers have been caught increasing the volume for their cables).

what about inducing a magnetic field inside that box as the signal passes through?

 

[Balle Clorin]

Something the subjectivist crowd often brings up. "There are things we cannot measure but the human ear/brain can hear

When I was a kid I tried to record by microphone the sound of music in my room. That learned me that 2 ears and a brain perceives music very differently from a microphone. 50 years later I read something very similar in Toole’s book “Sound reproduction,,,,”.
I think he is correct, that hearing perception is the element we cannot measure.
The electrical signals upstream the speakers can be measured in every way and gives the complete truth about the signal.

 

[Cbdb2]

what about inducing a magnetic field inside that box as the signal passes through?

From https://www.physicsbook.gatech.edu/Magnetic_Field_of_Coaxial_Cable_Using_Ampere's_Law

"Conclusion.
To conclude, we now know that the coax produces no magnetic field outside the wire as long as current in each wire are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction."

Twisted pair also creates very little external magnetic field.

As far as audiphool cables go all bets are off.

 

[im_gumby]

From https://www.physicsbook.gatech.edu/Magnetic_Field_of_Coaxial_Cable_Using_Ampere's_Law

"Conclusion.
To conclude, we now know that the coax produces no magnetic field outside the wire as long as current in each wire are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction."

Twisted pair also creates very little external magnetic field.

As far as audiphool cables go all bets are off.

I'm sorry, let me rephrase that.
What would happen if they induce a magnetic field around the cable?

 

[Doodski]

I'm sorry, let me rephrase that.
What would happen if they induce a magnetic field around the cable?

It would act as a inductor does. It will induce current flow as long as magnetic/electromagnetic change is occurring.

 

[im_gumby]

It would act as a inductor does. It will induce current flow as long as magnetic/electromagnetic change is occurring.

Ok,
So these MIT devices would be able to 'color' the signal in the wire?

Look, I have no clue or skin in the game here.
Snake oil? Ok... at 100K or some insane number... most likely.

But beyond the placebo effect, do they change the sound as it passes thru the box?
You see the 'audiophile experts' claiming to hear a difference. If you give them the benefit of the doubt that they heard something... what would cause it?

 

[Emlin]

Ok,
So these MIT devices would be able to 'color' the signal in the wire?

Look, I have no clue or skin in the game here.
Snake oil? Ok... at 100K or some insane number... most likely.

But beyond the placebo effect, do they change the sound as it passes thru the box?
You see the 'audiophile experts' claiming to hear a difference. If you give them the benefit of the doubt that they heard something... what would cause it?

Why give them the benefit of the doubt when they are quite obviously imagining things?

 

[im_gumby]

Why give them the benefit of the doubt when they are quite obviously imagining things?

Why give them the benefit of the doubt when they are quite obviously imagining things?

Because there may be some truth in their advertising/claims.
If what I suspect is true... it would be measurable. Would it be audible? I don't know.

Now I am not Richie Rich or Scrooge McDuck w money to burn so I could test this out... nor do I believe that MIT would allow someone like Amir or anyone w the right equipment to test it. (Ok, I used comic book characters to represent ludicrous wealth. I guess I could have said Bill Gates or Zuckerberg...)

Besides you know the old saying... even if you're paranoid, there may be people who are out to get you.... ;-)

 

[Doodski]

Ok,
So these MIT devices would be able to 'color' the signal in the wire?

Look, I have no clue or skin in the game here.
Snake oil? Ok... at 100K or some insane number... most likely.

But beyond the placebo effect, do they change the sound as it passes thru the box?
You see the 'audiophile experts' claiming to hear a difference. If you give them the benefit of the doubt that they heard something... what would cause it?

I just dropped into this commentary. Can you please bring me up to speed on this MIT box and what it is/model number?

 

[Doodski]

Besides you know the old saying... even if you're paranoid, there may be people who are out to get you.... ;-)

Hahaha... I had a nice chuckle over this one...LoL.

 

[Emlin]

Because there may be some truth in their advertising/claims.
If what I suspect is true... it would be measurable. Would it be audible? I don't know.

Now I am not Richie Rich or Scrooge McDuck w money to burn so I could test this out... nor do I believe that MIT would allow someone like Amir or anyone w the right equipment to test it. (Ok, I used comic book characters to represent ludicrous wealth. I guess I could have said Bill Gates or Zuckerberg...)

Besides you know the old saying... even if you're paranoid, there may be people who are out to get you.... ;-)

There's no truth in their claims. If they had proof, they'd publish it. It's bollocks.

 

[im_gumby]

I just dropped into this commentary. Can you please bring me up to speed on this MIT box and what it is/model number?

I think this is the link to the short, but if you go thru his recent videos... you can find it.

I've been looking at a bunch of speaker cable threads, so I apologize if this hadn't come up in this one.
(I'm looking to make my own cables and looking at the different cable options and then connection options. )

And yes, I may consider speaker cable risers. Not to improve sound, but that I have a husky and I want her fluff bunnies to have free range in my office and not be trapped by the speaker cable.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Because there may be some truth in their advertising/claims.
If what I suspect is true... it would be measurable. Would it be audible? I don't know.

Now I am not Richie Rich or Scrooge McDuck w money to burn so I could test this out... nor do I believe that MIT would allow someone like Amir or anyone w the right equipment to test it. (Ok, I used comic book characters to represent ludicrous wealth. I guess I could have said Bill Gates or Zuckerberg...)

Besides you know the old saying... even if you're paranoid, there may be people who are out to get you.... ;-)

What cables do you use in your systems?

Here is proof that electrons flow better one way than the other way. Notice the gap between the plug and sheath? The plankton entry point. The arrows are to tell the plankton which way to go to populate the cable evenly.

www.audiosciencereview.com

Here you can see the inside of a patented MIT digital cable. The flowery language about micro-components and yada yada yada proved not to be so impressive. View the photo in the link.

Or here you can see what was inside some of their cable and what it does to frequency response.

This audio cable business is getting out of hand...

Besides the high gain, note that he had to bring the source really, really close, like actually laying the source on the cable. Move it a couple inches and the noise goes away. Now, star quad DOES what it says on the tin, it's very much not snake oil, but in general, it's not needed and is an...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[Emlin]

I think this is the link to the short, but if you go thru his recent videos... you can find it.

I've been looking at a bunch of speaker cable threads, so I apologize if this hadn't come up in this one.
(I'm looking to make my own cables and looking at the different cable options and then connection options. )

And yes, I may consider speaker cable risers. Not to improve sound, but that I have a husky and I want her fluff bunnies to have free range in my office and not be trapped by the speaker cable.

Hint: use wire.

 

[Blumlein 88]

I think this is the link to the short, but if you go thru his recent videos... you can find it.

I've been looking at a bunch of speaker cable threads, so I apologize if this hadn't come up in this one.
(I'm looking to make my own cables and looking at the different cable options and then connection options. )

And yes, I may consider speaker cable risers. Not to improve sound, but that I have a husky and I want her fluff bunnies to have free range in my office and not be trapped by the speaker cable.

Why are you making your own cables? Just buy some. If you want some nice ends and covers you can get those without paying too much. There is nothing to gain from making your own other than doing it cheaply.

 

[j_j]

Why are you making your own cables? Just buy some. If you want some nice ends and covers you can get those without paying too much. There is nothing to gain from making your own other than doing it cheaply.

Indeed, Home Depot, Lowes, or any Ace Hardware can help you out there, just fine.

 

[j_j]

what about inducing a magnetic field inside that box as the signal passes through?

At least some MIT cables have passive components in the box, so remember that is a known issue.