It depends on the settings:
interesting to see how dim and bland plasma tvs seems now, yet they were SOTA at their time
It depends on the settings:
interesting to see how dim and bland plasma tvs seems now, yet they were SOTA at their time
HDR.What am I missing here?
In short, to display HDR, one needs a display with extraordinary contrast ratio, hence max. brightness.
Careful there! With that attitude you're going to end up falling behind while enjoying yourself and saving money.Like I said. Why would I want that? Screens are already painfully bright for indoor use.
The eye has fairly limited instantaneous dynamic range. I don't want to have to squint and wait for my pupils to readjust every time there's a cut from night to day.
It seems like another pointless standard designed to fuel upgrade cycles.
Yes, I have mentioned that. A lot of people are satisfied with their current brightness. I'm one who prefers more brightness. I can see better when it's brighter, and I'd rather that dark scenes look brighter than reality than have bright scenes looking a lot darker. I don't enjoy trying to see in the dark. That's why I sleep mostly at night.Has anybody mentioned that OLED is not all that bright!
If you play proper HDR on Oled, it can clip.
I went for QLED!
My 75" QLED is brighter than any oled I could afford.
I still paid just under £3K for it, and I could get an oled, even better oleds at £1K more, but I preferred the QLED.
It also has the lowest picture noise without filters, that I could find.
Hello.Yes, I have mentioned that. A lot of people are satisfied with their current brightness. I'm one who prefers more brightness. I can see better when it's brighter, and I'd rather that dark scenes look brighter than reality than have bright scenes looking a lot darker. I don't enjoy trying to see in the dark. That's why I sleep mostly at night.
Haven't watched it. Are they calibrated? What do you watch it on?
interesting to see how dim and bland plasma tvs seems now, yet they were SOTA at their time
I meant that I have mentioned that OLED is not that bright. As for the part about proper HDR clipping on an OLED, that shouldn't happen because the TVs do their own tonemapping to re-map content that is too bright for the TV to properly display. What bothers me about OLED is that they can end up dynamically re-tone mapping brightness in different ways depending on how much of the screen is getting bright. If a lot of the screen is supposed to be bright, the OLED may only be able to reach less than 300 nits. If a smaller portion is supposed to be bright only briefly, it may allow a temporary highlight to reach 1200 nits. This varying brightness based on characteristics of the scene is not part of the film makers intent, and it makes it hard for the eye to adjust to the TVs capabilities, because they're a constantly moving target. To avoid that, an OLED needs to limit any point on the screen to about 220 nits or less, because that's what the entire screen can do sustained. 220 nits isn't enough for true HDR no matter how black the blacks can get. That said, the dynamic tonemapping trickery can make a lot of scenes get that HDR look. It's not as bad as I'm putting on here, but some of us are bothered by it.Hello.
Not sure what you mean by this statement.
(If you play proper HDR on Oled, it can clip.
I went for QLED)
What is proper hdr?
sure, if you reduce the brightness and color saturation on the OLED you can come close with the lights turned off, but that was mentioned in the video I posted as wellIt depends on the settings:
And my wife is perfectly happy listening to music through her phone, she finds Hifi speakers too big and loud!Like I said. Why would I want that? Screens are already painfully bright for indoor use.
Considering that HDR material has less contrast-ratio capability, compared to many films made in the 50s, and that Home-Cinemas are a reality these days, your view on the subject, is at best a personal one.The eye has fairly limited instantaneous dynamic range. I don't want to have to squint and wait for my pupils to readjust every time there's a cut from night to day.
It seems like another pointless standard designed to fuel upgrade cycles.
"Proper" was a bad choice of word on my part. Not all HDR material are the same, some have larger contrast ratios, because of material used.Not sure what you mean by this statement.
(If you play proper HDR on Oled, it can clip.
I went for QLED)
What is proper hdr?
I think this is an unusual use of the word clip. Professional HDR monitors clip. They follow the EOTF curve ruthlessly and don't re-tone map anything, or so I'm told.
Thanks. Yes, that's a great example. This TV follows the curve closely for a while, and then it softly curves over. A professional monitor would have a very sharp and abrupt kink where the brightness quits going up. This TV will still look natural as it blows out highlights. You can play with the settings so that it starts to knee over sooner so that more highlights can be preserved for detail and color at the expense of the image looking duller and darker overall. Some blowout of the highlights is always going to happen even with a 10,000 nit TV that can do zero blacks. The cameras can only do so much, so that curving over has to start somewhere unless you very carefully control the scene lighting and camera exposure so that nothing is every under or over exposed - like they used to do in movies in the old days. The scale on that chart is interesting, and shows more how we percieve brightness. 10,000 nits doesn't appear 40 times brighter to us than 244 nits. But it does require 40 times the electrical power to produce! So a 10,000 nit TV would look great, and would need to be very energy efficient to be practical. I've read the reviews from a trade show where Sony demonstrated an experimental 10,000 nit capable TV. Nobody complained that it was too bright. Everybody seemed to agree it looked great, and that 10,000 nit peak was a very desireable thing.View attachment 334753
This what I mean. This monitor, follows the ETOF pretty well, until it reaches its max. brightness, then it clips (for the lack of a better word).
So any scenes coded for 400 cd/m² and above, would show as white patch. This monitor can not display any detail variation of super bright scenes.
Equally, because it is not OLED, it can not go to zero either, so it will always have some leakage below 1.5 cd/m² or so.
That graph is for my PC monitor, a 27" Dell. I chose it, because it was cheap (ish) has 4K HDR capability. Colours are pretty accurate too.Thanks. Yes, that's a great example. This TV follows the curve closely for a while, and then it softly curves over. A professional monitor would have a very sharp and abrupt kink where the brightness quits going up. This TV will still look natural as it blows out highlights. You can play with the settings so that it starts to knee over sooner so that more highlights can be preserved for detail and color at the expense of the image looking duller and darker overall. Some blowout of the highlights is always going to happen even with a 10,000 nit TV that can do zero blacks. The cameras can only do so much, so that curving over has to start somewhere unless you very carefully control the scene lighting and camera exposure so that nothing is every under or over exposed - like they used to do in movies in the old days. The scale on that chart is interesting, and shows more how we percieve brightness. 10,000 nits doesn't appear 40 times brighter to us than 244 nits. But it does require 40 times the electrical power to produce! So a 10,000 nit TV would look great, and would need to be very energy efficient to be practical. I've read the reviews from a trade show where Sony demonstrated an experimental 10,000 nit capable TV. Nobody complained that it was too bright. Everybody seemed to agree it looked great, and that 10,000 nit peak was a very desireable thing.
And Samsung's QD-OLED which is supposed to fix the brightness of the OLED efficiently, using Quantum Dot technology.TCL inkjet printed RGB OLED by 2025?
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