I'm simply just shaking my head @ this attack.IIRC Thed from SR doing the attack on Gene.... (and IIRC Thed is a vaccine denier as well).
I'm simply just shaking my head @ this attack.IIRC Thed from SR doing the attack on Gene.... (and IIRC Thed is a vaccine denier as well).
I'm simply just shaking my head @ this attack.
It’s simple. Does the waveform come out of the cable the same as it went in? Except in boundary cases of grossly incorrect designs, yes.
The belief system, however, denies that the waveform we can measure tells the whole story. Yet we can measure it far more finely than we can hear it—to the level of distortions typically 120 dB less powerful than the signal, when we can hear, like, 70, and then only with special techniques and test signals.
The controlled subjective testing we ask for here is merely a way to empirically validate to the non-technical what is already in abundant evidence from engineering analysis.
Rick “JA knows this” Denney
It's not hard to understand if you think ASR is actually becoming so successful that "victory" over anti-scientific nonsense is within sight. If that happens then the whole "price=quality, measurements=meaningless" industry will collapse and many charlatans' incomes with it... people can get very nasty when they perceive their occupation is under threat.I'm simply just shaking my head @ this attack.
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Keith
That's why we owe it to them to give them a good education on the science of the materials AND expectation bias.I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you expect to hear something, you'll almost always hear something. I've had it happen to me more than once where I twiddled an EQ knob in a DAW that was actually inactive... but I heard something anyway.
Hehe... Bling is |{inG for some people that's for sure.It's not hard to understand if you think ASR is actually becoming so successful that "victory" over anti-scientific nonsense is within sight. If that happens then the whole "price=quality, measurements=meaningless" industry will collapse and many charlatans' incomes with it... people can get very nasty when they perceive their occupation is under threat.
I don't know that the cause has advanced that far, but we know something is going right if the hardcore anti-science subjectivists are bothered.
Personally I think there will always be a market for subjective reviews even if the "ASR way" took over 100%. People just want to hear the opinions of other people even if they already know the outcome. The subjectivists would only have to give up on some of their unproductive assertions, but the industry as a whole wouldn't change radically IMO. We'd hopefully see a total dying-off of the gold-plated ethernet cables and such, but some people will still want fancy s*** even if they know it doesn't do anything to the sound.
Personally I think there will always be a market for subjective reviews even if the "ASR way" took over 100%. People just want to hear the opinions of other people even if they already know the outcome. The subjectivists would only have to give up on some of their unproductive assertions, but the industry as a whole wouldn't change radically IMO. We'd hopefully see a total dying-off of the gold-plated ethernet cables and such, but some people will still want fancy s*** even if they know it doesn't do anything to the sound.
Be careful with such statements.It’s simple. Does the waveform come out of the cable the same as it went in?
A blip that is not even 60 ns wide (< period of 17 MHz)? Are you spreading FUD again?
It's not hard to understand if you think ASR is actually becoming so successful that "victory" over anti-scientific nonsense is within sight. If that happens then the whole "price=quality, measurements=meaningless" industry will collapse and many charlatans' incomes with it... people can get very nasty when they perceive their occupation is under threat.
I don't know that the cause has advanced that far, but we know something is going right if the hardcore anti-science subjectivists are bothered.
Personally I think there will always be a market for subjective reviews even if the "ASR way" took over 100%. People just want to hear the opinions of other people even if they already know the outcome. The subjectivists would only have to give up on some of their unproductive assertions, but the industry as a whole wouldn't change radically IMO. We'd hopefully see a total dying-off of the gold-plated ethernet cables and such, but some people will still want fancy s*** even if they know it doesn't do anything to the sound.
They've sold the same people boxes of dirt with plugs on the outside, plugs that don't connect to anything, and magic rocks to place near your equipment. An overpriced CAT6 cable is something of a reprieve compared to some audiophile BS out there.Them getting into IT products is pretty suicidal, if you ask me.
A audiophool and his money are soon parted.
Specially with a good BS story on "Cryogenic treatment"
I think the gist is that "waveforms coming out different than they went in" is still open to abuse if you're unscrupulous about what kinds of distortion you're willing to assert are relevant to sound quality.A blip that is not even 60 ns wide (< period of 17 MHz)? Are you spreading FUD again?
Indeed. But for some reason they prefer the explanation that "everything matters" and "tweaks" pretty much always effect the sound, no matter how implausible... vs. this.Yeah. But I think there’s a catch. I see a cycle of buyer’s euphoria followed by slow return to ground zero and the itch to upgrade comes back. It’s the Escher stairway to a better system.
A blip that is not even 60 ns wide (< period of 17 MHz)? Are you spreading FUD again?
1. As I mentioned in my first post, I presume that his technical defence of cables sounding different fall short, but I'm not sharp enough with electrical theory to detail how, myself. So I presented this to, among other things, allow more knowledgeable people here to "call out" exactly why the response was insufficient.
2. I default to assuming JA is giving arguments that he finds plausible. So to the degree he's mistaken, it's still an honest representation of where he stands on the issue.
So as I said, I appreciate JA took a technical approach in his response, and while others feel his being wrong indicates some issue with integrity, I don't necessarily and still have a lot of respect for JA. Even when he may be wrong I think overall he's been a class act. YMMV.
The Stereophile and The Absolute Sound readers get upset when I know the editors and reviewers. I interact with them and they don’t.
The Stereophile and The Absolute Sound readers get upset when I know the editors and reviewers. I interact with them and they don’t.
The Stereophile and The Absolute Sound readers get upset when I know the editors and reviewers. I interact with them and they don’t.