Or just severely disabled in a wheelchair with a bag on your tummy, and brain damage, chicks dig that
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Is this a EU only thing, for cars only, ??? I'm confused.
The base C8 Corvette has a listed top speed of 194 mph
About any 750cc or better sport bike will brake 155 mph
Sal, sadly the US govt is looking at and will pass in the next few years a law requiring all cars to be speed controlled by Google maps (or called something else) road speed decisions. As of today Google gives you the speed limit on each road, next it will be slaved to the car so that you can't exceed the posted limit. Also and coming sooner is the automatic anti-drunk driving sensor's required (already passed the law) to be on every new auto in the US. I think that goes into effect in 2026 but I am not 100% on when it takes effect. So, any alcohol fumes coming from you and the car will not work. The nanny state is being implemented and 99% of the people don't realize how many laws have been passed in the last three years to control your behaviors. Also they passed water restriction laws that mean not only does your clothes washer not get your cloths clean, now it includes your dishwasher too! So, Having to run the dishwasher twice back to back to actually clean your dishes. This stuff has gotten way beyond any sensible level. The nuts are running the system. I'm sure more laws are on their way........
How very true !!! The dictators have taken over our lives and no one has the balls to oppose it any more.
Thankfully I'll be gone before most of that crap takes effect and Google will have one hell of a time controlling my 2006 pickup or
anything I'll ever drive/own .
Yeah, I do not remember when they instituted that but that was all 155 MPH/250 KPH my Mitsubishi rental car would do.
From the Frankfurt Airport (where we rented the car [stupidly it had summer tires in November]), my mother went to sleep in the passenger seat and when we arrived at our condo in Salzburg 3 hours later, I woke her up. Even though she had made (at that time) 30 trips there (& I had made 7 [we were both born in Salzburg) She was amazed at how quick we were at our place there from Frankfurt's airport (539+KM/335+MILES [that is averaging 180 KPH/112 MPH] {which includes the in City parts of the trip}).
It's a crying shame that we cannot drive like that on the more open areas of our interstate. Yes, we would have to have REAL DRIVERS EDUCATION mandatory here. But it would be worth it for commerce (even if the legal limit for big trucks was just raised to 140 KPH/87 MPH (lets say 90 MPH) that would make a big difference in the drive times. Lowering overall costs of goods (even with the slight additional fuel usage if the vehicles where set up for it.
I set up my USA car to be a potential Autobahn car but never got it over there (If I did, the only thing I would have changed is going to a 2.73 final drive for better economy at a higher speed), here is my recipe:
After I was done with my modifications on my carbureted 1979 Pontiac Trans Am 400/6.6 Litre, T-Top (5 speed manual [1:1 fifth], original 3.23 final drive, Koni Shocks, welded in subframe connector braces, self ported heads, Tri-Y headers, 2.5" exhaust with an X pipe, full sized Dynomax Turbo mufflers, super tuning by me, {going from 220 HP to 473 HP at the wheels, 320 LB/FT torque to 487 LB/Ft of torque, while beating the emission standard for the 1981 cars WITHOUT a catalytic convertor and increasing the fuel efficiency from 12 MPG city; 14 MPG HWY to 16 MPG city; 21.7 MPG at 85 MPH HWY). Peak economy was 21.7 MPG between 80-90 MPH.
This was back in 1985.
I would bet that with modern cylinder heads like those cast by Edelbrock with CNC machining, switching over to computer controlled fuel injection with computer controlled ignition (a one computer team) that it would make more power, have better drivability & get even better economy with even better emissions.
It may need a pair of 3" inlet/outlet catalytic convertors to do that (I have seen a 1969 455/7.4 liter carbureted car meet 1996 emission standards with these cats & make much more power than I had) but it sure would be interesting and fun.
By the way, a RADAR clocking (with a 3.08 final drive in place) showed a drag limited top speed of 188 MPH.
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Yes, for now an EU thing. Here is basic info.
Intelligent speed assistance (ISA) set to become mandatory across Europe | European Road Safety Charter
With the General Vehicle Safety Regulation (EU) 2019/2144, the Commission has taken unprecedented action to help the transport sector and public authorities prepare for the mobility of tomorrow. The objective is to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change...
I've seen different explanations. It will warn you a few ways, eventually push back the pedal. Some say you'll be able to over-ride even the pedal, others say you'll be able to over-ride the pedal for a limited amount of time (to facilitate an overtaking or merging need) after which is will bring the car back to the limit. The limits will be found for your position based upon car cameras that can read signs and GPS location. At least for now you can disable it although you will have steps to go thru each time you start the car as it will turn itself back on when the car is parked.
From other reading the ability to over-ride the pedal meets requirements, but they are pushing, and some makers have agreed, to have the car in time force a speed no higher than the limits. On the autobahn there is a government suggestion one not exceed 81 mph, and I think ISA will adhere to that even though there is no hard limit. My guess is motorcycles not having sign reading cameras or in general on board GPS will not have this.
Might not matter so much anyway. While EVs can provide excellent performance they really suffer diminishing range with increased speed from aero drag. So if one is going for much distance speeds in excess of 81 mph (130 kph) don't make much sense. And the people in charge seem hell bent on forcing EVs on everyone.
Glad that I do net yet live where there was once more freedom on the roads than here & now there will be less freedom on the roads than here.Yes, for now an EU thing. Here is basic info.
Intelligent speed assistance (ISA) set to become mandatory across Europe | European Road Safety Charter
With the General Vehicle Safety Regulation (EU) 2019/2144, the Commission has taken unprecedented action to help the transport sector and public authorities prepare for the mobility of tomorrow. The objective is to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change...road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu
I've seen different explanations. It will warn you a few ways, eventually push back the pedal. Some say you'll be able to over-ride even the pedal, others say you'll be able to over-ride the pedal for a limited amount of time (to facilitate an overtaking or merging need) after which is will bring the car back to the limit. The limits will be found for your position based upon car cameras that can read signs and GPS location. At least for now you can disable it although you will have steps to go thru each time you start the car as it will turn itself back on when the car is parked.
From other reading the ability to over-ride the pedal meets requirements, but they are pushing, and some makers have agreed, to have the car in time force a speed no higher than the limits. On the autobahn there is a government suggestion one not exceed 81 mph, and I think ISA will adhere to that even though there is no hard limit. My guess is motorcycles not having sign reading cameras or in general on board GPS will not have this.
Might not matter so much anyway. While EVs can provide excellent performance they really suffer diminishing range with increased speed from aero drag. So if one is going for much distance speeds in excess of 81 mph (130 kph) don't make much sense. And the people in charge seem hell bent on forcing EVs on everyone.
I know, eventually the idiot 'elites' will have it here, too.
I am prepared to move to a more free ([even if it's a third world country] {yep, we are no longer high on either the most freedom, the most longevity or the most happy list}) so...
And why at least one vehicle I own (Subaru CrossTrek that I just bought): I am setting it up for 'overlanding travel'. It's just an experiment for now, as I will likely do it to a larger vehicle later on.
As to EV's, I'll ride a horse before owning an EV. At least I like horses.
A big question -at least for me- is when it'll stop making sense to even own a car, particularly in urban and semi-urban areas. If you add up EV with self-driving, you can count me out. I'd rather own a "historical vehicle" for when I drive, and simply hire a self-driving Uber-Lyft-whatever day to day. I don't think that time is far away.
I'll never live that close to a city, once my mother, God forbid, passes on.
A 'hysterical' vehicle that runs on homemade alcohol may be the only way.
Or perhaps a horse. EV vs Horse: at least I like horses.
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I actually like EVs. Probably when I purchase another car that will be what it is. I don't like it forced on people.
Musk has said when he perfects fully autonomous self driving he'll stop selling cars and they'll be a taxi service. Yes, I know Musk says lots of things.
I have noticed among people under 25 there is a greatly reduced interest in cars, they are seen by the overwhelming majority as a transportation appliance. Very few like driving. Those people will happily trade driving for a reliable Uber type service and no need to own a car. It has certain advantages if/when it becomes a reality. So I think it will happen. As people who grew up with cars die off there won't be much demand for having your car by most people. I don't know how it will play out for people who hunt, or fish and need to go off road or pull a boat or when someone has a project and needs to pull a trailer with materials on it. Places already of course deliver materials. Maybe if you don't do that for a business it is cheaper to ditch a vehicle and pay for the few times you need that service.
I own a couple historical vehicles for what insurance agents call pleasure driving. I don't drive enough to wear those out probably for the rest of my life. After that I don't personally have any reason to care. So more modern humans will make the choice for the more modern world. Riding a horse can be nice, but I wouldn't want one vs a car. I think younger people will look the same way at owning a car vs having transportation services. If self driving is an option and not a requirement I even like that. On long trips one is more rested at the end of the trip. I also have zero doubt that in time self driving will be several times safer than human drivers.
Extremely well put.
Currently, my fav (collectible to me) car and 2 of my motorcycles are in what I would call storage, and my daily vehicle is the Piaggio MP3 500, which is great at combining practicality with fun. I also got a BMW i3 that is mostly used by my GF, and IMO is garbage (sorry if I offend anyone, but the range makes it very limited, and the driving dynamics are very ho-hum). If I lived in an area with continuous rain and snow in the winter, I'd change my tune quickly.
Looks like this will be the path taken by many others that feel the way we do, Maintaining "historic" vehicles is fun and great option to thumb our noses at the dictators and in many cases will be less expensive than owning the current hyper-expensive crapboxes they push on folks today. I don't see any changes coming along with in our lifetimes that will negate these options. After that, folks will have to live with what they don't have the guts to oppose.
Get them out and enjoy them, time and life is clicking away.
I really wish I didn't have the balance and other physical problems I do. I'd love to take an MP3 500 out for a ride just to experience it, looks to be a very fun and unusual ride.
I don't see personal transportation drying up as quickly as some here, unless forced on the populace, which I believe would be a very unpopular edict. The need and desire to make medium to long trips (100-3000 miles in the US) isn't going to disappear until Scotty can instantly beam us from location to location.
Just Friday a few days past a week ago, I (left at 11:30 AM) drove 411 miles (arriving at 5:30 PM) to see a friend that I had not seen in 6 years (a time that neither one of us knew the whereabouts of the other). We just hung out for an hour, catching up with each others lives.Looks like this will be the path taken by many others that feel the way we do, Maintaining "historic" vehicles is fun and great option to thumb our noses at the dictators and in many cases will be less expensive than owning the current hyper-expensive crapboxes they push on folks today. I don't see any changes coming along with in our lifetimes that will negate these options. After that, folks will have to live with what they don't have the guts to oppose.
Get them out and enjoy them, time and life is clicking away.
I really wish I didn't have the balance and other physical problems I do. I'd love to take an MP3 500 out for a ride just to experience it, looks to be a very fun and unusual ride.
I don't see personal transportation drying up as quickly as some here, unless forced on the populace, which I believe would be a very unpopular edict. The need and desire to make medium to long trips (100-3000 miles in the US) isn't going to disappear until Scotty can instantly beam us from location to location.
I then slept for one hour, then ([at 7:30] I drove us about 20 miles to a nice family dinner restauraunt. Then back to their place to chat & their a bit younger brother drove over to join us. After about 2 more hours, I slept 3 hours, chatted another 2 with their brother & then drove the 411 miles back n+ 12 miles to my mother's house.
From there (no further sleeping of lollygagging around) I drove 112 miles to a very good German restaurant, spent about 2 hours having lunch with my mother, drove the 112 miles to take her back home and then the 12 miles for me to be back home at 7
M Saturday.So, over (31.5 hours, I drove 1022 (?) miles (stopping for about 15 minutes to use the bathroom, buy some peanut brittle & a BBQ sandwich & refill with fuel (once).
Trips at least 1/2 this long are a twice a week thing for me for one reason or another. Longer trips like this, maybe once every month & 1/2.
Electric vehicle? Maybe when they get the charge time down to under 10 minutes from almost zero to full and get 600+ miles pulling a 3500 LB load (1450 to 3000 lb) is a normal load for a trip (I bring a 15 ft boat with a 15 HP outboard, usually), sometimes more.
Until then, an EV is a not going to happen in my life. (If I have anything to say about it).
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The thing I eventually foresee trips like you describe would pose little problem. You would have "stations" of EVs charging. You call one up on your phone take it the 200 or 300 miles, swap to a fully charged car and continue on. You might have local and long distance hubs of such stations. In time such networks cover nearly everywhere. You hop in, the car drives and manages everything. You get short breaks when you need to swap cars and continue on without issue or delay. Once near your destination you might have to swap to a local car or maybe not. Adding additional stopping points along the way would be no issue either. Even things like, "hey , let us stop and see what that is or change and go by this place." I mean essentially that is what we are all doing anyway, we just manage the car, the routing and fueling ourselves. And though normally paired with EVs no reason the same system couldn't work with autonomous ICE cars.Just Friday a few days past a week ago, I (left at 11:30 AM) drove 411 miles (arriving at 5:30 PM) to see a friend that I had not seen in 6 years (a time that neither one of us knew the whereabouts of the other). We just hung out for an hour, catching up with each others lives.
I then slept for one hour, then ([at 7:30] I drove us about 20 miles to a nice family dinner restauraunt. Then back to their place to chat & their a bit younger brother drove over to join us. After about 2 more hours, I slept 3 hours, chatted another 2 with their brother & then drove the 411 miles back n+ 12 miles to my mother's house.
From there (no further sleeping of lollygagging around) I drove 112 miles to a very good German restaurant, spent about 2 hours having lunch with my mother, drove the 112 miles to take her back home and then the 12 miles for me to be back home at 7
So, over (31.5 hours, I drove 1022 (?) miles (stopping for about 15 minutes to use the bathroom, buy some peanut brittle & a BBQ sandwich & refill with fuel (once).
Trips at least 1/2 this long are a twice a week thing for me for one reason or another. Longer trips like this, maybe once every month & 1/2.
Electric vehicle? Maybe when they get the charge time down to under 10 minutes from almost zero to full and get 600+ miles pulling a 3500 LB load (1450 to 3000 lb) is a normal load for a trip (I bring a 15 ft boat with a 15 HP outboard, usually), sometimes more.
Until then, an EV is a not going to happen in my life. (If I have anything to say about it).
Where's the pride of ownership fold into this rent-a-ride system?
It may be a workable system sometime into the future but not a very popular one IMHO
I highly doubt it will come of age in our lifetime,
Not if I can help it. LOL
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It probably won't happen in the rest of my life time. By the way, more than 1/2 my travel was on 2 lane roads (my main place is over 40 miles from any city and that is because City's are encroaching). I am pretty sure that in the next 5 years that I will need to move further away from them. Already many of my friends have done that.
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There is no pride in ownership. Already true for a significant number of car owners for whom they have about the same pride in their car as in their fridge. Both are appliances.
Then they are a NEVER be in ITEM for me.
DRIVING (for both me & my wife) is a wonderful, FUN & ENGAGING (mentally & physically) activity.
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No, they are not appliances any more than your sound system is an appliance.
