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The problem I now have is what to do with no less than four (4) hubs I ordered from Amazon to further test their interactions with USB that is supposed to arrive on Monday!!!
Do you mean USB regeneration by the Uptone? For that, you should look to them, but with a very strong sense of skepticism, as their process fails to "measure up". And many of their fan boys elsewhere have created fictional, hand waving accounts of its significance and alleged sonic superiority.Now that everyone is ok that the SMPS is a Chinese schiit ( called placebo when it's an American product).
Can somebody explain the regeneration stuff
I doubt anyone here places any credence in the concept or sees it as at all useful, especially now. The answer, as is clear, is to get a decent DAC in the first place, and then USB regeneration by an outboard box is both unnecessary and likely detrimental.
Well since we are now far from the only company offering hub-chip-based USB "regeneration," perhaps a new thread can be started that examines the concept in depth--in a more brand-agnostic way.
Unless you and BE718 just can't get enough of making fun of me and my clients.
Well since we are now far from the only company offering hub-chip-based USB "regeneration,"
perhaps a new thread can be started that examines the concept in depth--in a more brand-agnostic way.
I am not making fun of anybody, least of all your clients. But, you and all the other guys pushing variations of this glorious "concept" have failed and failed to prove that it is worth anything. Worse, you have gone into deep denial of the data, made false accusations, played the poor victim card, etc. That is not funny.Well since we are now far from the only company offering hub-chip-based USB "regeneration," perhaps a new thread can be started that examines the concept in depth--in a more brand-agnostic way.
Unless you and BE718 just can't get enough of making fun of me and my clients.
Well since we are now far from the only company offering hub-chip-based USB "regeneration," perhaps a new thread can be started that examines the concept in depth--in a more brand-agnostic way.
Unless you and BE718 just can't get enough of making fun of me and my clients.
Perhaps you would assist us in performing a an in depth study of the efficacy of this genre of products? Could be a fantastic marketing exercise.Well since we are now far from the only company offering hub-chip-based USB "regeneration," perhaps a new thread can be started that examines the concept in depth--in a more brand-agnostic way.
Unless you and BE718 just can't get enough of making fun of me and my clients.
Sure. This device like the one before it, uses a USB hub. A USB hub silicon normally receives from one channel and then produces 2-4 channels on the output (main reason people use it). Here, it is only used as one input and one output. The idea behind it is to regenerate the USB bus but with better power supply, better clock, etc. That such a "clean" USB signal would eventually result in a USB DAC producing less noise and jitter.Now that everyone is ok that the SMPS is a Chinese schiit ( called placebo when it's an American product).
Can somebody explain the regeneration stuff
Why don't you start a thread? You can explain how yours works or explain the concept. It doesn't make sense to me as the DACs I have had hands on seem not to be effected by the upstream USB source. It seems a solution looking for a problem.
Sure. This device like the one before it, uses a USB hub. A USB hub silicon normally receives from one channel and then produces 2-4 channels on the output (main reason people use it). Here, it is only used as one input and one output. The idea behind it is to regenerate the USB bus but with better power supply, better clock, etc. That such a "clean" USB signal would eventually result in a USB DAC producing less noise and jitter.
So how does it clean something that is "unclean" to start with ? Does it extrapolate ? A bitstream of data that comes in, the same bitstream comes out, right ? So I am trying to understand, what is it actually cleaning ?
Shoot, I was threatened in public by Mikey Fremer with the wrath of the lawyers from (drum roll please) The Enthusiast Network. He claimed I had "besmirched his character". LOLYou aren't being singled out. Heck Archimago and Mark Waldrep have had cease and desist letters sent to them.
I don't think Amir will let me get into that here, he claims this is a family oriented site and all that.Can somebody explain the regeneration stuff
No interpolation or extrapolation. All digital data going into Iso Regen come out as exactly the same value.So how does it clean something that is "unclean" to start with ? Does it extrapolate ? A bitstream of data that comes in, the same bitstream comes out, right ? So I am trying to understand, what is it actually cleaning ?
Any digital signal that is transmitted on wire becomes analog in nature and starts to degrade. Fortunately since the values are only one or zero, we can detect them as such. The hub controller in the Iso Regen receives this signal, converts it back to digital and then retransmits them as analog yet again. In that sense, you get cleaner signal if the implementation of USB is better in the Iso Regen than it was in the computer.