Yorkshire Mouth
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How is that different than how it's been for studio subs for donkeys years?
Erm…it’s not.
How is that different than how it's been for studio subs for donkeys years?
That doesn't fit with my anecdotal experience. Well positioned bad speakers in a good room can sound pretty good and badly positioned good speakers in a bad room are not always great.
How many outputs does Wiim Mini have? So you would run monitors on Digital out and subwoofer on 3.5mm out on Wiim Mini?
Stop complaining about the price and just buy the Wiim Amp. Thread ended.
That is my thought also.As I say, the whole purpose of the thread is to discuss the lack of options for 2.1, not to say that as soon as there’s one option the discussion is over.
I do find a few posts in the thread have started to be a little rude, bordering on aggressive.
Please keep it constructive.
We often hear the room more than the speakers unless you are making quick A/B changes between different speakers.It does fit in with my anecdotal experience, but there you go.
Your use of ‘can’ and ‘not always’ doesn’t actually conflict with mine, though.
While rightly critiqued from the engineering purist standpoint none of those issues mentioned in the reviews would have any audible influence on the sound quality from the consumer standpoint. They would be too small for you to notice any of those issues in a blind listening test unlike your room which has a huge effect on the sound quality.That was one of my issues. The other was cost.
But further, my objection - and I suppose this is the point of the thread - is that it should be unnecessary.
We have a forum here, we keep an eye on the measurements of DACs and amps because we want to see how well they perform. But then so many members end up driving speakers from AV amps because of their dsp functionality, ability to select crossovers, etc.
There appears to be a market out there for something like an AV amp, but 2.1 - indeed, Marantz and Denon have such units, but they measure appallingly.
Look at this :
Marantz NR1510 AVR Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of Marantz NR1510 5.2 4K slim Home Theater AV Receiver. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $799. I have been wanting to test a slim AVR for a long time as they much better fit under a TV in a living room than the monster that regular AVR...audiosciencereview.com
Functionally, it’s exactly what we want apart from being 5.1 instead of 2.1, but it measures so poorly.
Then this:
Marantz NR1200 Stereo Receiver Review
This is a review and measurements of Marantz NR1200 slim 2-chnannel stereo receiver with network capability (D&M HEOS, AirPlay2, Spotify connect, etc.). Marantz USA sells this in their online store for US$599. I bought mine from a dealer in Tokyo in January 2021 for 62,000JPY. Amir once...audiosciencereview.com
Now there’s your 2.1, but again it’s woeful.
Similar story here:
Denon PMA-600NE Integrated Amplifier Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Denon PMA-600NE integrated amplifier with Bluetooth support and DAC. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $499. I like the look of the unit especially for the price. Somewhat dismayed though that the input selector is not lined up with...audiosciencereview.com
I’m just noting the gap in the market.
There are such stuff,packing lots of functionality and as reliability is really important (as it includes levels,slopes,etc) it is better not to cut corners.That was one of my issues. The other was cost.
But further, my objection - and I suppose this is the point of the thread - is that it should be unnecessary.
We have a forum here, we keep an eye on the measurements of DACs and amps because we want to see how well they perform. But then so many members end up driving speakers from AV amps because of their dsp functionality, ability to select crossovers, etc.
There appears to be a market out there for something like an AV amp, but 2.1 - indeed, Marantz and Denon have such units, but they measure appallingly.
Look at this :
Marantz NR1510 AVR Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of Marantz NR1510 5.2 4K slim Home Theater AV Receiver. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $799. I have been wanting to test a slim AVR for a long time as they much better fit under a TV in a living room than the monster that regular AVR...audiosciencereview.com
Functionally, it’s exactly what we want apart from being 5.1 instead of 2.1, but it measures so poorly.
Then this:
Marantz NR1200 Stereo Receiver Review
This is a review and measurements of Marantz NR1200 slim 2-chnannel stereo receiver with network capability (D&M HEOS, AirPlay2, Spotify connect, etc.). Marantz USA sells this in their online store for US$599. I bought mine from a dealer in Tokyo in January 2021 for 62,000JPY. Amir once...audiosciencereview.com
Now there’s your 2.1, but again it’s woeful.
Similar story here:
Denon PMA-600NE Integrated Amplifier Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Denon PMA-600NE integrated amplifier with Bluetooth support and DAC. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $499. I like the look of the unit especially for the price. Somewhat dismayed though that the input selector is not lined up with...audiosciencereview.com
I’m just noting the gap in the market.
There is no problem with creating good 2.1 system based on AVR. Most probably it would be better, cheaper and more convenient than stacked stereo components.There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of us cobbling together a serious 2.1 system.
There is no problem with creating good 2.1 system based on AVR. Most probably it would be better, cheaper and more convenient than stacked stereo components.
The market has 2 major segments, 2ch and multich. The only segment that I know of that really does 2.1 is the pc desktop segment. There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of us cobbling together a serious 2.1 system.
I knowThere’s the rub.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but I use a Marantz m-cr610 in my kitchen. I use it with a pair of Technics sb-f3s and a B&W asw608 sub. The Marantz has several basic 2.1 EQ options and sounds very good to my ears. Can't remember the details of the options available but pretty sure they will be listed in the owners manual, which is easily downloaded.
Also soundbars.The market has 2 major segments, 2ch and multich. The only segment that I know of that really does 2.1 is the pc desktop segment. There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of us cobbling together a serious 2.1 system.
I’ve had a look at the manual, and can’t see any 2.1 options other than a sub out, though I may have missed something.
Many thanks.
It would be, but if this market were bigger, it should be even cheaper since 2.1 users don't need all the extra hardware.There is no problem with creating good 2.1 system based on AVR. Most probably it would be better, cheaper and more convenient than stacked stereo components.
There are such stuff,packing lots of functionality and as reliability is really important (as it includes levels,slopes,etc) it is better not to cut corners.
I firmly believe one gets what pays for in the long term.
Example:
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