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Hi j_j, Interesting statement you do here. Is there a scientific proof on this and were the guinea pigs just average tasters and listeners or experienced and trained ? I like to taste and listen but have a different experience on this.

We can can agree "this is no answer to the question and you omit discussions with others than "friends. Concerning imaginary friends; Do You Have Others ?? :D:D I personally appreciate discussions with friends who like to think otherwise ..........

Please don't feel insulted by any statement. We might agree this is a perception in this case only and nothing scientific. From this point of view your remark has the same value as mine and is only personal

Think I'm having a conversation with a directive teacher right now. Please don't take it all to serious :) What is wrong questioning actual human knowledge and my perception of this ? Do you think we know the major part ?

Hi pkane, I like this general introduction but what is your personal statement/conclusion ?

Hi Thomas Savage, Appreciate the "higher level" wording and appreciate your predictable actions as a moderator on this site Talking about "substantial" I would like you to read the discussions more as a scientific researcher and reacting on the statements than as a representative of donating...

Hi j-j, I seem to disagree as we are all part (and result as I see it) of quantum-mechanics. There are no absolutely truths but only probabilities. In case you clearly believe in an external truth whatsoever we could probably agree that we have a different understanding of nature. Interested...

Don't think we can conclude that this demonstrates all scientific results about human hearing are true. I think some are just helpful. At the time we do a blind test, sit on a chair, and only can tell minor differences between the live performance we heard once and the recording played; then I'm...

Hi Wes, I do not like the blind thing, might get electrocuted during swapping in my crowded setup :p Enjoy longer term experiences and comparisons at home so I can keep my eyes open :D

THX for your advice. Point taken in the blind belief in measurements statement. Think I made pretty clear I'm not a follower of anything else than my own knowledge, experiences and perceptions and have a lot of answers and even more questions. I cannot comment on "standard audiophile dogma"...

No, you did not mention measurements and a statement in blind belief in them. I was just stating my current perception. What questions would you like to raise to achieve knowledge and understanding ?

Hi xr100, Fully agree, I prefer the lossless PCM or DSD but the lossy coded streams can also create a good 3D natural image of the sound depending on the setup. It might approve a statement we are far from understanding our perception.

Hi pkane, "is not the way I find acceptable to achieving knowledge and understanding" is a perfect way to state your truth and perception and appreciate this. For me just reading electronic measurement results is not the way I find acceptable to achieving knowledge and understanding. What do...

Still also this maintains only to be personal perspectives with an outcome that is shared by a majority. So it "works"

Hi BDWoody, Please get out of this role as the victim and the insulted one. Nothing personal here. Just stating my thoughts and as true as all others (from my perspective)

Think I'm not fooling myself and of course you can think otherwise but I think you do it yourself too.

Hi j_j, Let's not fool ourselves; That "some of us" believe they must refer to testable results is also no less and no more then a personal perception. Think we all want testable results. I trust my (repeatable) hearing system results more than all electronic measurement results; That...

Hi XR100, No offense here as I was joking too in referring to the name of this site :D:D

Did not mean to get you agitated but you can put me on ignore if you like