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YAMAHA XS350 schematic with TEST POINTS

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Hi all, i've recently purchased a YAMAHA XS350 power amplifier to be repaired. I've found the schematic (PDF attached) but there are no test points highlighted.

Question: does anybody know if exists a XS350 schematic which includes test point voltage values ?

thanks so much
enrico
 

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yes thanks, the inspection procedure is very useful, but it assumes the apmplifier can enter the normal operation status.
Mine is stuck in protection mode, hence test point values are very useful to detect the problem.
 
Even without test points, I'm sure some members could help you figure this one out. Tagging @Doodski ;)

Are the protection LEDs actually on?
 
There is nothing particularly outlandish about this circuitry that I can see, fixing it shouldn't be rocket surgery. You'll have to measure supply voltages (I'd expect +/-80-90 V unreg plus +/-20-24 V unreg / +/-15 V reg) and identify whether protection has any particular reason to trigger (notably, measure output DC offset at L201/301 or their respective parallel resistors und confirm it's well within +/-100 mV) or whether the problem is within the protection circuitry itself (if so, suspect C608 first - a 470µ/10V wouldn't have to go very leaky before a 150k has trouble charging it up; the replacement should have as high a voltage rating as you can reasonably make fit, and I would probably throw it on the lab power supply to form for several minutes at least before installing).

The most likely scenarios I would expect would be spurious protection or a grenaded power amp (though sometimes a failed smaller transistor or feedback resistor can also give excessive DC offset without major carnage). See any charring / burnt components anywhere?
 
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Even without test points, I'm sure some members could help you figure this one out. Tagging @Doodski ;)

Are the protection LEDs actually on?

Yes, and i've discovered the amplifiers pretends to show a double protection mode, by two differents red leds, but the Voltage Detection Circuit (image attached) is unique and measure a mix from channel A and channel B. The measurement comes from two 150K resistors on the amplifier output (one resistor on channel A and the other resistor on channel B) and then, via R605 (10K) , to the base of Q603. If DC voltage is measured Q603 shorts C608, the swich-on delay capacitor, and the output relays remain off.
So i suspect a short in the final stage.
 

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yes thanks, the inspection procedure is very useful, but it assumes the amplifier can enter the normal operation status.
Mine is stuck in protection mode, hence test point values are very useful to detect the problem.
CN202 and CN302 are test-points for setting the bias.
They can also be used to check for DC on the output stage,

You should start by measuring DC between one of the 2 pins of CN202 to ground (does not matter which one) and doing the same for CN302.
Best to use pin1 but pin 2 will work as well.

There should only be a few mV there and if that is more than 0.5V on one of the output stages it is faulty. Over 1V (on one channel) should enable the DC protection.
 
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There is nothing particularly outlandish about this circuitry that I can see, fixing it shouldn't be rocket surgery. You'll have to measure supply voltages (I'd expect +/-80-90 V unreg plus +/-20-24 V unreg / +/-15 V reg) and identify whether protection has any particular reason to trigger (notably, measure output DC offset at L201/301 or their respective parallel resistors und confirm it's well within +/-100 mV) or whether the problem is within the protection circuitry itself (if so, suspect C608 first - a 470µ/10V wouldn't have to go very leaky before a 150k has trouble charging it up; the replacement should have as high a voltage rating as you can reasonably make fit, and I would probably throw it on the lab power supply to form for several minutes at least before installing).

The most likely scenarios I would expect would be spurious protection or a grenaded power amp (though sometimes a failed smaller transistor or feedback resistor can also give excessive DC offset without major carnage). See any charring / burnt components anywhere?
I have not dismounted the circuitry yet. Just collected the documentation and studied it a long. Anyway, at a first look, no components show burns.
Thanks for these suggestions; i had not included yet a malfunction on the protection circuit in my investigation.
 
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CN202 and CN302 are test-points for setting the bias.
They can also be used to check for DC on the output stage,

You should start by measuring DC between one of the 2 pins of CN202 to ground (does not matter which one) and doing the same for CN302.
Best to use pin1 but pin 2 will work as well.

There should only be a few mV there and if that is more than 0.5V on one of the output stages it is faulty. Over 1V (on one channel) should enable the DC protection.
good suggestion, i'll try those TP asap.
thanks so much
 
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