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No, no one has offered them for testing.
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Yamaha R-N803 Smart Receiver Review
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This one did not come with a measurement mic so can't. But I do have my own Yamaha AVR and will test it there.
restorer-john
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Not sure about what you mean, "a model of simplicity". Consider the "direct" signal in the R-Sxxx (same IC as the A-Sxxx) is running through this (another obsolete AVR chip):
Here's an RN-402. The RN-402D and the RN-301 use the same front end. Nothing to get excited about in terms of fidelity.
Note: I haven't got an R-N803 schematic at hand. It may use a better front end. It may not. Based on all the other schematics I have, I doubt it will be much different, but anyone with an 803 schematic can check it out.
Here is the IC block. Note, it's another obsolete AVR part used for this receiver:
Notice the maximum input voltage:
Everything goes through this $1.39 part...
The A-Sxxx amplifiers use equally horrible parts and mess around with unnecessary buffer stages for the CD input along gain stages to make up for the losses that occur in the electronic input/vol switching ICs.
They are generally disappointing when compared to what Yamaha was capable of in the past.
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maty
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Which has better sound to you and family? Pure direct or YPAO. With music.
Asked to ask, how do music recordings sound with acoustic instrumentation?
Modern recordings, so digitally adulterated and battered, is another field. There I suppose that YPAO wins.
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We prefer ypao as it tames the brightness of the Omni 60 speakers. My Hope is that I can move to a new home with a dedicated listening room within the next year and try out a pair of Elac DBR62s or some other speakers with a more favorable frequency response and use pure direct instead of ypao. For now the Mirage speakers do so many good things in open living room kitchen and dining areas with their omnidirectional sound that I doubt anything else can do a better job from such a compromised location.
restorer-john
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The Mirage Omni range were great products. Did it all end up a casualty when Mirage was absorbed into Klipsch back in 2006?
Thank You for the test ! I hope than you can test YPAO.
Since I exclusively listen to classical music I don't think I can give you an accurate answer to your question. But I'm VERY happy with how this current combination renders the human voice. I listen to Opera all day with no fatigue.
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They did indeed. From my understanding Mirage was the number one selling speaker in the world at that time due to their success in outlets like Best buy. Too bad they just sat on that technology. I'm sure that it's more expensive to produce that ufo looking Omni design then it is to make the Klipsch speakers that replaced them in that segment.
maty
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https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/measurements/mirage_omni60/ 2003
THD+N @ 90dB, 50Hz - 10kHz (measured @ 2m)
60-degree off-axis response deviation from on-axis response
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digicidal
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That is very impressive... I get fatigued about 2 minutes into the overture! On every pair of speakers I've ever owned, and almost every opera I've tried listening to.
OK, that's mostly a simple difference of taste in music - however, I can easily understand and agree with the sentiment. If speakers really nail the vocal range... it's much easier to forgive other areas they fail miserably at.
Great review, as always! Although there is no real comptetiton on that field :=) (Adhering to the rule of praising Amir in first 100 posts).
Would it be sinful to add something like HiFiBerry DAC+ on line in, and then use Yami just as an amplifier, with Pure Direct turned on?
Would it be sinful to add something like HiFiBerry DAC+ on line in, and then use Yami just as an amplifier, with Pure Direct turned on?
maty
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Just now,
Sutherland, Pavarotti & Richard Bonynge, Orchestra Of The Royal Opera House, Covent Garden - Donizetti - La Fille Du Régiment (1968), Vinyl x2, Decca, UK
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post6232292.html
https://www.discogs.com/Donizetti-S...era-House-Covent-Garden-Richa/release/9148824
https://www.amazon.com/Donizetti-Fille-Regiment-Joan-Sutherland/dp/B001JJX7M4/
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That is almost the case with the A-S801, from what I could see in the service manuals. The A-S801 would likely measure a little better (3 to 6 at the most higher in SINAD would be my guess) though as implementation seems a little better.
The ES9006 and the 9010 K2M are very comparable, one is 4 dB better in DR, and the other 4 dB better in THD+N.
Yamaha states at its product page: Created by tradition and progress.
So it fits Amirs findings like this:
So it fits Amirs findings like this:
Created by tradition
Created by progress
Desmo
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There are not a lot of 2.1 receivers out there with auto DSP. The only other two that I am aware of are the Denon DRA-800H and Elac DS-A101. Are either of them currently in the queue for review? That would be an interesting comparison.[/QUOTE]
The Denon DRA-800H doesn't have auto DSP to my knowledge.
The Denon DRA-800H doesn't have auto DSP to my knowledge.
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