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Yamaha R-N1000A to power (in)sensitive 88 dB / 5 ohms speakers?

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Hello everybody,

I am new here! I've read several threads about that Yamaha amp and I've got the opportunity to get one at a good price. (btw I simply do not have the budget to buy the R-N2000A which, in my case, would be basically three times the price of the R-N1000A: so my question is about the R-N1000A)

On the R-N1000A specs page (the one with the picture of an unshaved man): https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/hifi_components/r-n1000a/specs.html

It says:

  • High Dynamic Power/Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) 140 / 170 / 220 / 290 W

and:

  • Rated output Power [20 Hz-20 kHz 0.07 % THD] 100 W+100 W (8 ohms)

And my speakers specs (which I already own), do say this:

  • 88 dB 2.83V/1m
  • 5 ohms (yes, 5 ohms, it's not a typo)
  • Recommended Amp Power [Watts] 50 - 300

My question is simple: would the R-N1000A be able to drive these speakers effortlessly?

I'm asking purely based on the stated specs of the speakers: if I post the brand/model/price of the speakers people are going to write that I shouldn't pair a $$ amp with $$$$ speakers. But from a "science" point of view I don't get why I should use a $$$$ amp: I just want to make sure that R-N1000A, which looks sweet, has the "watts" to power my speakers.

So yeah that's my question: knowing that I like the features of the R-N1000A and knowing that I don't have the budget for a R-N2000A, shall the R-N1000A be able to power my speakers?

Any help appreciated,
 
Yes.
(given "normal" listening conditions)

By the way, welcome to ASR.:)

Ah yup I don't listen at crazy crazy high volume and the thing is: I listen at lower volume in the evening/at night too when the wife is sleeping. And I really dig the "loudness" control that the R-N1000A offers for that: I find loudness control nice for low volume listening.

Thanks for the welcome!
 
Then the R-N1000A will work super duper together with your speakers. :)

What speaker brand and model do you have?

If you are curious, you can read here how the R-N1000A performed on the bench:

 
Then the R-N1000A will work super duper together with your speakers. :)

What speaker brand and model do you have?

Ah thanks I'll read the review!

Well that's the thing: I managed to snatch a pair of DALI Epicon 6 that are only one year old (the model itself is more than 10 years old I think but the pair I got was sold new only one year ago)... And I got them at a very good price. It was still pricey to me though, so now I don't have the budget for a R-N2000A. The "issue" is that they're speakers that retail for 12 K EUR in the EU and 16 K USD in the US (I think) and so if fear that many people would say: "Do not hook a $1500 amp to a five digits pair of speakers".

But, technically, from a "scientific" point of view, I don't know why it wouldn't work. To me I'd get the defeatable tone controls during the day (so not using them) but then at night I could listen at lower volume.

I may bump the R-N1000A to something else later on but if it is sufficient at the moment, I'll go with that.

I just wouldn't want to buy that R-N1000A then realize it cannot power the Epicon 6 well enough.
 
Ah thanks I'll read the review!

Well that's the thing: I managed to snatch a pair of DALI Epicon 6 that are only one year old (the model itself is more than 10 years old I think but the pair I got was sold new only one year ago)... And I got them at a very good price. It was still pricey to me though, so now I don't have the budget for a R-N2000A. The "issue" is that they're speakers that retail for 12 K EUR in the EU and 16 K USD in the US (I think) and so if fear that many people would say: "Do not hook a $1500 amp to a five digits pair of speakers".

But, technically, from a "scientific" point of view, I don't know why it wouldn't work. To me I'd get the defeatable tone controls during the day (so not using them) but then at night I could listen at lower volume.

I may bump the R-N1000A to something else later on but if it is sufficient at the moment, I'll go with that.

I just wouldn't want to buy that R-N1000A then realize it cannot power the Epicon 6 well enough.
They seem to have low distortion (klirrfaktor). Congrats on those speakers. :)

I am wondering about this as shown by the test in the link below:

Minimum impedance: 3.1 ohms

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It is quite low. But the speakers seem to have even impedance. Should one interpret the graphs above (which is a bit hard to see) I don't think it looks like the impedance drops below 4 Ohm.:)

ZolaIII tends to be knowledgeable about Yamaha amps so he might be able to find out if it would pose any challenges to the Yamaha R-N1000A.


Edit:
Yamaha themselves state 290 watts of dynamic power in 2 Ohms for the R-N1000A so this with Minimum impedance: 3.1 ohms for DALI Epicon 6 should not be a problem, I think.:)
 
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As seen in @DanielT chart, it only needs 13.3w to reach 94 dBSPL, so your amp is more than enough to drive it.
I don't know how much you are going to pay for your n1000a, but I'd say go with something like NC502MP or even Purifi based amp, and you don't even have to worry. both are more powerful and with cleaner power. Pair them with a cheap DAC and you're golden
 
Looks like a very well behaved impedance curve. I assume that the phase curve (which isn't shown) is likewise benign, so as long as the amplifier is capable of providing the required current at low frequencies (on either side of Fs, but) all should be OK.

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PS It is too bad that the y-axis scale obscures the detail of the impedance curve :(
 
Those Dali's DALI Epicon 6 don't need a lot of amp power. If we take the general rule + 3dB twice the amp power it leads to:

26.6 w to reach 97 dBSPL
53.2 w to reach 101 dBSPL

What OP, GandalfTheAudiofool, can do is get a free dB meter app and then test.

I have this dB meter app myself:


That is sufficient for making such listening dB measurements. It doesn't need to measure super precisely then, so the dB app will do just fine.:)

In addition, OP can test whether there is any major difference at different listening distances, which is rarely the case in a normally furnished living room/listening room (other than if you get really close to the speaker).

Having decent amp power if you play really high-dynamic music is good, I might add. For modern recorded music that has fallen victim to the loudness war, however, not much amp power is needed.


Edit:
There is modern recorded music with a lot of dynamics, so you can't say that it generally doesn't exist. You can check it out here:


In any case, there are quite a few threads here on ASR that address the subject. Here two examples: :)


 
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