Yamaha AS701 MK2….

[ZolaIII]

Yes. I assumed MiniDSP Flex (4 channels out). Or a WiiM with sub-out, so F+R+sub. Or both maybe. A MiniDSP would be good with as little as a WiiM Mini to do what it can.

Streamer is just a network recever, Mini (WiiM) does what it should no argue about that and for music it's Toslink out is quite fine. I can't argue and regard less boxes who doesn't run away from paying for that (either MiniDSP with streamer or Music Cast in R-N 1000/2000A form). I pretty much gave up regarding on demand music services, do stram locally. ELC can be implemented manually on input banks reserving two PEQ's for it on both chenels (to form self filters) on MiniDSP Flex (or similar and trough range of their products).

 

[Hifi for life .]

I’ll try …

At the moment i have two amps .

AS701.

Wiim Ultra AMP. No sub yet for both amps.

I know the Ultra is best option. I we’ll keep both amps !

However sometimes i prefer the Yamaha !

It has more body to mid range . Ultra has more depth and lot more neutral sound .

This is of course my own experience-what others express is their view )s)

Yes, SB1000 PRO both low /high level can work with both amps.

Full range with AS701. High passing the mains with the Ultra .

The sound is not poor , but sub would be fun ! Shall try both with a sub and see what I prefer .

Which Wiim can can’t like an active crossover with sub management?

Is it only the Wiim ultra amp and the matching streamer .

Thanks !

 

[Ruediger]

At the moment i have two amps .

AS701.

Wiim Ultra AMP. No sub yet for both amps.

Well, nice luxury problem.

When I was comparing my Yamaha A-S301 to the WiiM Vibelink I got the impression that the Yamaha adds coloration from the mids down and lacks precision and neutrality. It sounds very good as an analogue amp in pure direct, just a little bit different. I think you won't miss it after a while with the (IMO superior) WiiM Amp Ultra.

I am happy with sub integration at the WiiM. Management, adjustment, delay calibration, RoomFit.. all works very nice.

If you ever wanted more channels (and amps) I think you can add a MiniDSP Flex via usb out from the WiiM. I know this option for external DACs to be true for the WiiM Ultra, but not sure about the WiiM Amp Ultra - confirm with someone who knows.

What doesn't go together is these 2 amps. I think it's one or the other. With a subwoofer the WiiM will be even more superior IMO.

 

[ZolaIII]

@Hifi for life . I assure you Yamaha is neutral and handle top of the range much better than WiiM's along with cuple dB more headroom subjective view has a good old charm of tricking us belive such things. Psy how we hear full scale all 9 octaves posible or to the hearing capabilities (especially regarding over 15 KHz) and that's in full SPL swing (88 dB program stereo or white noise calibration point if you wish). As that is rather too much you of course count in equal loudness compensation to actual loudness level you receve to a spot or area so you can enjoy full spectrum of you can hear on lower SPL program that's both enjoyable for you and your neighbours. Automatic to pre configured area distance ELC in preferably ISO 226 2003 from is hard to get and it won't work to low (below 67 dB) SPL program in 2.1 (and generally less precise to 2.2). It's either Auto-EQ, JRiver PC or Yamaha uper R-N new range (not even sure R-N 1000A has it 2000A does), or (cuple years) old Denon with Audiseey. Semi automatic to extent trow out the history yes and you can make cuple of presets on anything supporting PEQ self filters (and having enough of them that you can spare two per chenel for that purpose) to SPL you prefer to listen to.

 

[Hifi for life .]

What doesn't go together is these 2 amps. I think it's one or the other. With a subwoofer the WiiM will be even more superior IMO.

This is my experience with the Yamaha AS701. Paints the sound stage which adds emotion to the sound . Wiim Amp Ultra is way more neutral .

I know I can tweak the the sound to my liking ! With the Ultra .,.

Wiim DSP and sub management is the icing on the cake !

I know many whom buys the Ultra instead og 3 times more expensive DSP amps

I know adding the Ultra Streamer with the AS701 is «reachable “ but can be confusing…

It should be added the ability to use the Yamaha like a power amp . Wiim ultra streamer can then connected to it.

I guess I’ll have to read which DSP (like the Flex ) would be suitable for the Yamaha .

Adding 2-4 proper aligned subs connected to the DSP active crossover sure would rock. No space for 4 subs !

2 Micro SvS 3000 on the country might work !

Much appreciated help ! Food for thought i see…

Sorry for my confusing ; English is not my native language.,

 

[Hifi for life .]

I do hope Wiim releases 200 watt in 8 ohm and 400 watts in 4 ohm .

Ultra Amp MK2 24 ( 2 for 200 watts -4 for 400 watts .)

Nice catchy name .

Oh, XLR connection and 2 stereo sub outputs.

 

[ZolaIII]

You know there are quite good PA amp's with proper DSP and good performance that do give 270 W (8 Ohms) or more for not exactly more money then WiiM Ultra amp costs. Problem is they are ugly (and you do need a learning curve to use it's DSP's and not great interfaces). My current favourite is Dynacord L1xxxFD lineup for A-B (G) stages and toroidal transformer (like good old Crown's and Yamahas were in PA world minus DSP of course). And a flud of good based on Brunos designs SoM board class D (H) cheap or less cheap power amplifiers on the market right now.

 

[Ruediger]

These power levels are beyond the TI amp chips as I understand it.

As a bigger amp in that design there is an offer from IOM.

IOM 500 Stereo (NCx500) - high-end amplifier with custom input buffer

The IOM 500 stereo is a powerful amplifier using 2 Hypex NCx500 modules and the SMPS1200A700 power supply.

internetofmusic.nl

But also many other offers in that range of power/price.

A WiiM streamer with balanced output and 2 or more managed sub outs would be an instant buy for me!

 

[Ruediger]

It should be added the ability to use the Yamaha like a power amp . Wiim ultra streamer can then connected to it.

I guess I’ll have to read which DSP (like the Flex ) would be suitable for the Yamaha .

The Yamaha is a good power amp with analogue in / pure direct. Besides the volume knob it has a different input sensitivity from most poweramps. With as little as 200mv it could reach max. power with the knob fully turned. WiiM streamers have that output voltage adjustable.

You can also put any DAC/DSP in front of it, same as a streamer. The rca input can take 2.2vrms or so, the standard output of many devices is OK for it. But you wouldn't turn the volume knob fully to the right and make sure nobody else does that.

 

[Hifi for life .]

But to put in simple sentences…Lol .

It’s new field me for : DSP.

Wiim has few offerings / build amp streamers and so on …

What Wiim do I need so I don’t need to complicate thighs with let’s say the Ultra Wiim Amp. Had the AS701 the support acct like power amp then its done deal !

I’ve been considering either pro or plus’s from Wiim . At least then I can see what Yamaha sounds like with DSP.

 

[Hifi for life .]

My understanding is the Pro Plus is better then the pro .

Correct ?

Neither has sub management.

Correct ?

Which one of this has the same DSP like the Ultra streamer?

Heck , I’d be willing to just invest in the Ultra streamer (even if it is “made “ for the Vibelink power amp etc .)

I can at least use as a normal streamer . I’ll try borrowing one from the dealer.

 

[ZolaIII]

My understanding is the Pro Plus is better then the pro .

Correct ?

Neither has sub management.

Correct ?

Which one of this has the same DSP like the Ultra streamer?

Heck , I’d be willing to just invest in the Ultra streamer (even if it is “made “ for the Vibelink power amp etc .)

I can at least use as a normal streamer . I’ll try borrowing one from the dealer.

It goes like little better DAC's and sub LFE out and basic menagement how you climb trough the lineup. Only WiiM Mini is cut down regarding PEQ and room correction as CPU on it's net/WiFi SoC is too weak to run it. Sub out starts with Ultra (as much as I remember), sadly it's only one PEQ bank for all I/O and chenels and ADC dosent get upgraded at all staying at level of good enough for really good gramophone with really good preamplifier to it. If you are new to DSP you should try to fiddle with it and learn basics on computer or your phone (with headphones) and it won't cost you more than your time, perhaps price of deacent measurement microphone (like UMIK-1) to do it with speakers. There really isn't no other way then to learn basics and get a picture of what and how you like it to be done. Other way how will you know that the evel monster is not deceiving you (Descartes, Meditations; skeptical arguments). As the picture grows and you learn musical theory to go with it it gets harder to get deceived and it's not an exercise (training) but more of a introspection. Simply said I believe what I seen, known about it and how I heard it not heard it trough the grape wine (gossip). I do digital audio processing from almost beginning of millennium from when DAC's become good enough (24 bit, 106+ dB SINAD) and commercially available (and DAW's where more of a concept and free). I did and wired computer stuff regarding evolution of architectures and complex ADSP's (modern CEVA and Tensilica one's to less known VCore and Creative one's) but that's not for audio purposes.

 

[Hifi for life .]

To put it simpler words ….

Let’s say I shall buy the Ultra Wiim Streamer.

I can still use it for bass management and DSP without adding a power amp ?

As mentioned it we’ll be combined with the Yamaha AS701. I do not plan on adjusting the volume control on the Yamaha , then using the Wiim as a pre amp .

Just using it like normal streamer

Thanks .

 

[Hifi for life .]

I appreciate the help .

Just this is new field for me : DSP.

Love the warm and powerful Yamaha amp ( pluss it uses quite expensive components vs Marantz in the same price class .)

PM11S3…

Then we’re talking . This is one of best Marantz amps I’ve had the pleasure of listing to .

 

[early rejecter]

Let’s say I shall buy the Ultra Wiim Streamer.

I can still use it for bass management and DSP without adding a power amp ?

As mentioned it we’ll be combined with the Yamaha AS701. I do not plan on adjusting the volume control on the Yamaha , then using the Wiim as a pre amp .

Yes, that will work fine.

 

[Hifi for life .]

Many thanks to everyone who’s helped me. I wish you a splendid day !