XTZ 12.17 Edge subwoofer, best bang for the buck in Europe?

[Honken]

I mean they provide two plugs, you can just use them and work with the sealed output?

They also have the Cinema line which has a slot port, haven't heard reports of chuffing with that series. I think those look pretty smart in white, and the review of the 3x one is available on Data-Bass here:

Data-Bass: Subwoofer Measurements

data-bass.com

Too bad this brand doesn’t develop further! It seems they’re stuck at the same point the last 5 years. Nevertheless great products, I have a xtz subwoofer which is build like a tank.

I believe that they have released their Spirit line after the 12.17 Edge series, but it is a cheaper and simpler sub. Not sure if these are available outside of SE, but they also have a sealed, dual opposed 12" sub with the same 1000W amp as in the regular Edge series. I'm rather curious of that one myself.

XTZ SUB D12.17 Edge Mattsvart

XTZ SUB D12.17 EDGE - Aktiv subwoofer med ljudteknik från ICEpower® D12.17 EDGE är en konceptmodell där D står för

www.fyndborsen.se

 

[hege]

I mean they provide two plugs, you can just use them and work with the sealed output?

Sure, will reduce output but probably better than chuffing.

 

[abdo123]

Sure, will reduce output but probably better than chuffing.

I mean generally i do not give manufacturers passes but the feature set, the documentation and price are sublime for this product and i typically use subwoofers sealed.

 

[hege]

I mean generally i do not give manufacturers passes but the feature set, the documentation and price are sublime for this product and i typically use subwoofers sealed.

Agree. Too bad they probably ended up with too small box.

I like compact sealed too, but for me it requires 2 x 18N862, even then I can sometimes see the drivers wobbling 1cm+... well that's mostly from rocket launches

 

[Ciobi69]

Agree. Too bad they probably ended up with too small box.

I like compact sealed too, but for me it requires 2 x 18N862, even then I can sometimes see the drivers wobbling 1cm+... well that's mostly from rocket launches

got like 3 friends that uses this driver in a ported configuration, its a monster

 

[abdo123]

got like 3 friends that uses this driver in a ported configuration, its a monster

Do we know which driver is it?

 

[Ciobi69]

Do we know which driver is it?

18N862 BMS

 

[abdo123]

18N862 BMS

I thought the 12 and 10 stood for 12 inch and 10 inch?

 

[ryanosaur]

Aren't those THX select and at lower "tier" than the THX Ultra line ?

I eyed THX 12 Ultra for a while but haven't pulled the trigger..

10” monolith is Select. 12” and 15” are both Ultra.
The reviews from James Larson at AH are pretty solid.

 

[Ciobi69]

I thought the 12 and 10 stood for 12 inch and 10 inch?

It's a 18 inch pro audio driver, heard them in a home theater configuration, they have no limits they shake your whole house down

 

[natsilent30]

With the black friday the 12.17 Edge is at 600€ in europe, and the Monolith 12'' is at 753€.

Wich one would be the best for a living room of 50m2 with QA Concept20 (ill may upgrade to Kef Q150 or Q350 soon) ?

I have also the choice for a SVS PB 1000 Pro at 510€ on second hand.

I want the best performing sub between this 3, the Monolith seems the most powerfull on the CEA 2010 table but the 12.17 Edge isnt listed so i have difficulties to decide.

Thanks for your advices.

 

[ryanosaur]

With the black friday the 12.17 Edge is at 600€ in europe, and the Monolith 12'' is at 753€.

Wich one would be the best for a living room of 50m2 with QA Concept20 (ill may upgrade to Kef Q150 or Q350 soon) ?

I have also the choice for a SVS PB 1000 Pro at 510€ on second hand.

I want the best performing sub between this 3, the Monolith seems the most powerfull on the CEA 2010 table but the 12.17 Edge isnt listed so i have difficulties to decide.

Thanks for your advices.

You can easily compare the Monoliths and SVS Subs with reviews by James Larson on AH. It is important to look beyond just the CEA-2010 Burst Test. You get more info that is helpful by seeing the Long Term Compression Sweeps, Distortion breakdowns and Group Delay.

The PB1000 Pro is an overachiever at it's price, but I don't think it will compete against the Monolith 12".

That doesn't help much in comparing to the XTZs. As I lamented above, it would be really cool to see somebody do some proper Ground Plane measurements of those!

 

[hege]

You can find some vague CEA-2010 figures with google

https://www.hifivision.com/threads/xtz-calibration.74411/post-821073

Model	20Hz	25Hz	31.5Hz	40Hz	50Hz	63Hz	80Hz	100Hz	125
BIC PL200	84	96.2	102.5	107.7	110.4	108.1	106.5	105.3	103.8
XTZ 12.17 Edge	98	104	113	115	116	115	115	116

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/xtz-12-17-edge-opinions-review.3043074/#post-57440952

CEA 2010 - 12.17 Edge - 1m (2m)
20Hz: 104dB (98dB)
30Hz: 117dB (111dB)
40Hz: 121dB (115dB)
50Hz: 122dB (116dB)
63Hz: 121dB (115dB)
80Hz: 121dB (115dB)
100Hz:122dB (116dB)

(I added 2m numbers with -6dB)

Not sure if the numbers are for sealed operation, comparisons to other same size sealed ones do look the same, so quite likely

Subwoofer Comparison

I've created a *slightly large* subwoofer comparison spreadsheet. :D Info: -==Link to my Subwoofer Comparison spreadsheet ==- https://bit.ly/SubwooferComparison

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[natsilent30]

Thanks for your help.

I saw the review on AH, it seems that the PB1000 Pro as more distortion and a lower output as the M12, the same range sub would be the PB 2000 Pro but the retails price are much higher in EU.

I didnt found any distortion mesure of the 12.17 Edge but for the price and size i might go with it, with 700W RMS it should perform better than the SVS. I also prefer the customer service from an audio company than monoprice's one.

 

[3125b]

the same range sub would be the PB 2000 Pro

Indeed, Erin compared the two in his video about the 2000 Pro, in general they are very similar (they even look very similar). The Monoprice has significantly lower group delay though (under or close to one cycle fully ported which is very good), that might be a real advantage. It also has slightly higher output over most of the frequency range, but that probably doesn't matter in a real world application.

Audioholics has reviewed the 3X12 which seems to have three of the same drivers as the 12.17: https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/xtz-subwoofer-review/measurements
The ports seem to be tuned a little higher than Monoprice's bigger offerings, but it has a very healthy amount of output. Group delay is average for a ported sub, FR is good, normal for a DSP sub.

I think the XTZ 12.17 is a good option, the price of ~600€ (depending on VAT) is more than fair (to the point where I wonder how they make money considering it's not DIY but a company that needs to pay employees, offices etc.). The 700W ICEPower module is 330€ alone. A DIYer would be hard pressed to match that price in the EU without paying for labour or tools.

 

[ryanosaur]

Something that has come up time and again is a pretty simple truth: once you get into the Subs being manufactured by competent specialists like the Subs we are discussing here, the end result is almost more a difference of "ergonomic features." In other words, if you are looking at Subs that perform almost identical in most metrics (aside from a dB here or there in extension v. mid-bass output) your final desicion almost entirely comes down to connections, Amp controls, and aesthetics.

Certainly it's nice to have some of the features one brand may offer over another, like some of SVS' App control, or knowing you won't distort a THX certified Sub...

But rare indeed is the point where one such product is separated from another by a significant performance metric.

 

[keenly]

Anyone want to sell me one of these?