Would you rebuy your current setup?

[TonyJZX]

its a bit of a specious question for me as most of my stuff is EOL and just no longer for sale

so at the price i got them i got a bargain so of course i would buy it again at that price but its just not possible

 

[Doodski]

@sigbergaudio the Manta is a veryyy intriguing speaker. It has all the technology one could ask for. Coax driver, 12" woofer and class D Hypex plate amp. To go out on the limb this far is bound to attract some attention and buyers. I'm impressed with this design.

active loudspeakers wideband cardioid Sigberg Audio MANTA

wideband Cardioid speakers, cardioid bass, dynamic range the most efficient and high sensitivity cardioid hifi speakers. 12" midbass driver, designed for subwoofers

www.sigbergaudio.no

 

[phoenixdogfan]

@sigbergaudio the Manta is a veryyy intriguing speaker. It has all the technology one could ask for. Coax driver, 12" woofer and class D Hypex plate amp. To go out on the limb this far is bound to attract some attention and buyers. I'm impressed with this design.

active loudspeakers wideband cardioid Sigberg Audio MANTA

wideband Cardioid speakers, cardioid bass, dynamic range the most efficient and high sensitivity cardioid hifi speakers. 12" midbass driver, designed for subwoofers

www.sigbergaudio.no

Plus they got all these hand holds you can stick your fingers in when you move them around. Wonder how you dust in there.

 

[Sgt. Ear Ache]

its a bit of a specious question for me as most of my stuff is EOL and just no longer for sale

so at the price i got them i got a bargain so of course i would buy it again at that price but its just not possible

Yeah, as I said earlier I'm completely happy with the stuff I have and would be fine with replacing it verbatim. But maybe a more accurate way to put it would be that I'd be happy replacing my stuff with stuff that operates and performs exactly the same way as what I have. Neutral electronics and speakers that have good measurements that meet my SPL needs. It would be pretty easy to find stuff that accomplishes that at prices similar to what I paid originally. As opposed to going out and browsing around shops and buying cool stuff that costs more thinking I'm upgrading my SQ...

 

[Doodski]

Plus they got all these hand holds you can stick your fingers in when you move them around. Wonder how you dust in there.

Yes, the ports are great hand holds. We used these type of dusters and created a static charge on them and they sucked up the dust very effectively.

 

[Mart68]

my amps and speakers are old and would be hard to find again so even though I am happy with it as it is now, I would almost certainly have to get something different.

Kii3 maybe. No muss, no fuss which is attractive now I'm in my fifties. Plus they are a bit better than what I have now.

 

[stevenswall]

Yes. Eventually I'd re-purchase a Genelec system as I see no other options when it comes to flexible placement, mounting, and easy room correction all tied together with speakers in multiple sizes that can all be used as center channels. No other ecosystem like that as far as I'm aware.

That being said, I would want to build up the system more quickly, so I would probably look at mountable options from Kali, and who knows: Maybe I'd be happy with those and not worry.

Right now I want Genelecs for the main channels for 5.1, and am happy to use Kali's for rear surrounds and maybe ceiling speakers though they are a bit more bulky. Much cheaper though and it's hard to justify high end stuff for periphery speakers that aren't always used much.... Unless it's a bad Atmos mix and everything comes from behind me.

 

[Ra1zel]

This is why I'm hesitant to deliver speakers for review at ASR, readers assume they can judge speakers on the measurements alone and/or by ranking preference score. It's great that we get lots of objective data. It's a problem that people read too much into them, and think they can can know which speakers sound better based on it.

Biggest ASR facepalm moment for me was when many people started to think that 2 way with 5 inch woofer can sound just as good as 4 way speaker with dome mid and 15 inch woofer just because the calculated preference score was the same, also comments like "bass extension is superior on this one" ignoring that that last few hz of extension is like almost 100% thd and a port resonance only. People also for some reason have no concept that speaker is a tool and as all tools you should get one thats right for a given job.

Anyway as to the topic of this thread the biggest problem in getting the same gear is that a lot of it is either unobtanium now or way more expensive than when I bought it.

 

[Axo1989]

Biggest ASR facepalm moment for me was when many people started to think that 2 way with 5 inch woofer can sound just as good as 4 way speaker with dome mid and 15 inch woofer just because the calculated preference score was the same, also comments like "bass extension is superior on this one" ignoring that that last few hz of extension is like almost 100% thd and a port resonance only. People also for some reason have no concept that speaker is a tool and as all tools you should get one thats right for a given job. ...

For sure. While the majority of the forum users here likely have STEM backgrounds (and thus more commonly have problems with context/semantics of verbose text communication) it's worth remembering that numbers and data have context and interpretation as well, and this is also likely to lead to misunderstanding.

We saw in @GXAlan's listening comparison thread including SINAD of 20 = shocking/horrible/worst ever number !! That should be contextualised—it's the less audible/euphonic 2nd harmonic, while ≥ H3 was 80 dB and likely inaudible—in terms of what we know about music, masking, levels/dynamics and so on.

 

[Snickers-is]

The entire format of the tests here does appeal to people who wants a short path to make quick decisions and avoid tideous processes where they question possible nuances that are not covered. It is not surprising that this attracts a crowd that feel fully informed after seeing a couple of frequency response and distortion curves.

 

[Purité Audio]

Think of the reviews as guides rather than a definitive answer, they are extremely useful for sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Keith

 

[Sgt. Ear Ache]

For sure. While the majority of the forum users here likely have STEM backgrounds (and thus more commonly have problems with context/semantics of verbose text communication) it's worth remembering that numbers and data have context and interpretation as well, and this is also likely to lead to misunderstanding.

We saw in @GXAlan's listening comparison thread including SINAD of 20 = shocking/horrible/worst ever number !! That should be contextualised—it's the less audible/euphonic 2nd harmonic, while ≥ H3 was 80 dB and likely inaudible—in terms of what we know about music, masking, levels/dynamics and so on.

lol...I love how the subjective guys point to the fact that people in blind tests can't hear "shockingly poor SINAD" as somehow being damning evdience of the lunacy of objectivism!

 

[Sgt. Ear Ache]

The entire format of the tests here does appeal to people who wants a short path to make quick decisions and avoid tideous processes where they question possible nuances that are not covered. It is not surprising that this attracts a crowd that feel fully informed after seeing a couple of frequency response and distortion curves.

It's a short path to removing speakers that are likely to be problematic in a room and focusing on speakers that are likely to be well-behaved in a room.

 

[Ra1zel]

lol...I love how the subjective guys point to the fact that people in blind tests can't hear "shockingly poor SINAD" as somehow being damning evdience of the lunacy of objectivism!

Its a triumph if anything, it's been known for decades that with actual music material harmonic distortion is just really hard to notice, on a pure tone I expect almost anyone to pass blind test in 0.1% vs 0.01% THD

 

[Snickers-is]

Its a triumph if anything, it's been known for decades that with actual music material harmonic distortion is just really hard to notice, on a pure tone I expect almost anyone to pass blind test in 0.1% vs 0.01% THD

Do you mean to fail blind test?

Regarding loudspeakers, focusing on frequency response, phase, stored energy, dispersion and IMD (not necessarily in this order) will normally give a very good insight to the speakers sound quality. Spinorama just gives a very limited part of this.

 

[Apesbrain]

I'd be ok if I ended up with exactly what I have today most of which dates from before the turn of the century. That said, I don't use my turntable and CD transport any more. Alternatively, I'd like to try a pair of KEF LS60 with a Raspberry Pi velcro'd to the back panel so I could run Squeezelite.

 

[Axo1989]

lol...I love how the subjective guys point to the fact that people in blind tests can't hear "shockingly poor SINAD" as somehow being damning evdience of the lunacy of objectivism!

Assuming I haven't tripped over Poe's law and missed some sublime sarcasm, you should be aware that's not at all what I said.

While we are accustomed here to misunderstandings over less well-defined text descriptors of listening impressions, we can also misunderstand the audible implications of numerical metrics.

In the example referred to 20 dB SINAD looks shockingly bad on its face. But closer examination reveals that's the number for the second harmonic. The higher harmonics are 80 dB or better. We know the lowest harmonics can be effectively masked by the musical signal. So while the SINAD number is an indication of performance, we should take masking and musical signal into account, along with the overall THD profile, gain and playback levels, speaker matching and a number of other things.

None of that invalidates objective analysis of reproduction equipment. In fact, we know these things because people have been able to correlate audibility to said analysis.

 

[OldHvyMec]

I like what I have the main speakers, power amps, preamp and the different sources. I don't think I could find replacement speakers. 16 total were made
and 2 pairs were split for a 3rd channel on trinaural analog processors or 3.X system. That left only 10 pairs over 15 years ago. 4 were out of the US.
4-6 pairs maybe in the US. I haven't listened to them in 3 years. RMx Elixirs. Fun speakers, except for the weight. 375/525 ish (with sand) each.

A smaller version (about 1/2 the drivers) with loaded cabinets at 140lbs is a push for me. I'd still rebuy a tricked out pair of RM30s (a 3rd time around).
Cary valve products and or Mcintosh, no problem using them again. Nord Acoustics. I'd use them a 4th time.
GRs OB servo, one of the best for the money. They are fun to build and use.

 

[tuga]

Let's say there's a catastrophic event and your current setup gets completely destroyed but you get back 100% of what you paid from insurance.

Would you get the same setup you have now?

I was just wondering that myself and came to a conclusion that for the most part answer would be "no".

It's not that I really regret buying the stuff, but there sure is some overkill there. I think I could replace my 2.2 system with something like LS60 and save some money,. Not sure I need big Genelecs for my desktop. I have a lot of headphones when one of them is still the best and what I use most of the time etc etc

I buy used and lose little on resale.

 

[Unionista]

I have mostly tube gear now and would not buy it again. I LOVE THE SQ! But the equipment puts out so much heat that listening sessions are cut short in the summer. The equipment is large and takes up a lot of space. I can't close anything up in a cabinet because, again, those components get too hot. Also, with tubes sticking up through the tops, I can't stack components to save space. If I had to do this again, everything I would buy would be SS and to be small, unobtrusive and cool-running. The speakers would most likely be powered, so no amp to take up space. The preamp would most likely be passive. Sources would remain the same. I know I can do better the next time around.