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Would you give the McIntosh MHA200 a chance?

Yes, the RME unit is calibrated and completely transparent. This particular FR test was done with 24/48k.
You can see a couple of previous screenshots with FR measurements at full range (24/384k), and at 10-20kHz the response was absolutely flat.
Ok, thanks.

So the ringing at 24/48k was only due to the RME SD sharp filter which wasn’t compensated by a “cal” file (or not the good one). Understood ;)

Can you therefore perform the same FR measurement again to see the response of the Mc without influence from the RME?
 
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I have the opportunity to test the McIntosh MHA200 tube headphone amplifier in real-life conditions.

The DAC will be devices with SINAD 120-125 dB.

The load will be a dummy load of 32-300 Ohms.

The measurements will be made using reliable tools to obtain THD, Noise, SINAD measurements.

Is it worth doing?
No.
 
- with such a high price, there are manufacturing quality control flaws. One of the 12AX7 tube sockets is soldered to the mainboard at an angle and sits slightly under the surface of the top case.
- everyone hates the volume knob on this amp.

Darn, those are two important issues. If you aren’t buying for sound, aesthetics and ergonomics jump to the top of the list.
 
I bought one soon after launch and my tubes are all properly upright and I've had no problem with the screws for the tube shield. I've had to replace a couple of tubes though due to static starting to appear. The issue with the volume knob is a real pain... they want you to keep it at 12 o'clock and use your pre-amp for volume control. I have a new DAC on order with PEQ and a nice volume knob which I hope will free from needing to use the one on the MHA200. I'll post my observations when it arrives.
 
Can you therefore perform the same FR measurement again to see the response of the Mc without influence from the RME?
Here you go,

MHA200_FR_Left_20-20K.jpg

Frequency Response 20 Hz - 20 kHz, Left channel
+0.04 dB, -0.55 dB.

MHA200_FR_Right_20-20K.jpg

Frequency Response 20 Hz - 20 kHz, Right channel
+0.09 dB, -0.36 dB

MHA200_FR_Match.jpg

Left vs Right channel
Channel mismatch 0.1...0.2 dB, mainly in the frequency range from 8 kHz to 20 kHz.

Thanks again to @NTTY for pointing out my sub-optimal DA/AD filter settings. This has now been corrected.
 
The issue with the volume knob is a real pain... they want you to keep it at 12 o'clock and use your pre-amp for volume control. I have a new DAC on order with PEQ and a nice volume knob which I hope will free from needing to use the one on the MHA200.
Simply put, this doesn't work either. I tested and measured McIntosh's proposed way to control the volume of this amplifier. Let me show you the actual readings I got when I held the MHA200's volume knob at 12 o'clock. My DAC is capable of controlling the level of its balanced outputs in the range 0-16 Vrms. So, I measured the MHA200 headphone outputs with the following fixed inputs: 2 Vrms, 4 Vrms, 16 Vrms.

The results are as follows:
Load switch - Output amplitudes @ Inputs 2 Vrms, 4 Vrms, 16 Vrms.
32 Ohm - 0.031 Vrms, 0.064 Vrms, 0.195 Vrms.
120 Ohm - 0.055 Vrms, 0.114 Vrms, 0.345 Vrms.
250 Ohm - 0.087 Vrms, 0.177 Vrms, 0.535 Vrms.
600 Ohm - 0.131 Vrms, 0.265 Vrms, 0.800 Vrms.
All results were obtained with a load of 300 Ohm.

Now, the impedance of my Sennheiser HD650 headphones is about 333 Ohm. I set the Load switch to 250 Ohm.
With an input voltage of 2 Vrms, I got an output amplitude of 0.087 Vrms from the MHA200.
This is equivalent to 0.02 mW of power delivered to the headphones, and equals 82 dB SPL loudness.

With an input voltage of 4 Vrms, I got an output amplitude of 0.177 Vrms from the MHA200.
This is equivalent to 0.09 mW of power delivered to the headphones, and equals 88 dB SPL loudness.

With an input voltage of 16 Vrms (!), I got an output amplitude of 0.535 Vrms from the MHA200.
This is equivalent to 0.86 mW of power delivered to the headphones, and equals 98 dB SPL loudness.

I prefer my headphones to have a maximum SPL of 106 dB. This requires 6 mW of power delivered to the headphones. This is equivalent to 1.412 Vrms output amplitudes from the headphone amplifier. As you can see, this cannot be achieved with any position of the Load switch or with any input signals from the DAC, with the volume control set to the 12 o'clock position.
 
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Simply put, this doesn't work either. I tested and measured McIntosh's proposed way to control the volume of this amplifier. Let me show you the actual readings I got when I held the MHA200's volume knob at 12 o'clock. My DAC is capable of controlling the level of its balanced outputs in the range 0-16 Vrms. So, I measured the MHA200 headphone outputs with the following fixed inputs: 2 Vrms, 4 Vrms, 16 Vrms.

The results are as follows:
Load switch - Output amplitudes @ Inputs 2 Vrms, 4 Vrms, 16 Vrms.
32 Ohm - 0.031 Vrms, 0.064 Vrms, 0.195 Vrms.
120 Ohm - 0.055 Vrms, 0.114 Vrms, 0.345 Vrms.
250 Ohm - 0.087 Vrms, 0.177 Vrms, 0.535 Vrms.
600 Ohm - 0.131 Vrms, 0.265 Vrms, 0.800 Vrms.
All results were obtained with a load of 300 Ohm.

Now, the impedance of my Sennheiser HD650 headphones is about 333 Ohm. I set the Load switch to 250 Ohm.
With an input voltage of 2 Vrms, I got an output amplitude of 0.087 Vrms from the MHA200.
This is equivalent to 0.02 mW of power delivered to the headphones, and equals 82 dB SPL loudness.

With an input voltage of 4 Vrms, I got an output amplitude of 0.177 Vrms from the MHA200.
This is equivalent to 0.09 mW of power delivered to the headphones, and equals 88 dB SPL loudness.

With an input voltage of 16 Vrms (!), I got an output amplitude of 0.535 Vrms from the MHA200.
This is equivalent to 0.86 mW of power delivered to the headphones, and equals 98 dB SPL loudness.

I prefer my headphones to have a maximum SPL of 106 dB. This requires 6 mW of power delivered to the headphones. This is equivalent to 1.412 Vrms output amplitudes from the headphone amplifier. As you can see, this cannot be achieved with any position of the Load switch or with any input signals from the DAC, with the volume control set to the 12 o'clock position.
Very interesting, thank you.

I read the user guide and I see that this reference position is only a recommendation, which is probably here to protect your ears more than anything. So I’d ignore and test further.

The Mc user guide mentions that it’s unnecessary to match exactly the impedance to your headphones. And in your case (Sennheiser HD650), selecting the 600ohms will play louder than selecting 250ohms. You can give it a try.

Also, and since you have the tools and knowledge to measure, would you mind performing the below measurements?

1) Set the output of the RME at a fixed 2Vrms (to simulate a standard CD Player which Mc mentions as a possible use case).
2) With REW’s generator, send a 997Hz single tone @-0.01dBFS and with dither at 16bits.
3) From RTA, take 5 measurements (axis in dBFS) with the volume knob set at 2, 1, 12, 11 and 10 (be careful that the 2 o’clock position does not overload the RME input).

I’m interested to see how the level increases as well as distortion. You can repeat the same with 250 and 600 ohms selected with the left knob.

Thank you!
 
From RTA, take 5 measurements (axis in dBFS) with the volume knob set at 2, 1, 12, 11 and 10 (be careful that the 2 o’clock position does not overload the RME input).
It is doable. And it won't overload my ADC, since I use an AES17 997.56Hz notch filter with -30dB attenuation before it hits the ADC input. My ADC is an E1DA Cosmos ACDiso @ -127dB(A) THD+N in mono mode, by the way.

During my measurements of MHA200 I reached the volume control position around 4 o'clock, with an output amplitude of 10 Vrms. And only the last bit of the volume control at the 5 o'clock position sent more than 11 Vrms, which was outside the range of my measuring instruments.
 
1) Set the output of the RME at a fixed 2Vrms (to simulate a standard CD Player which Mc mentions as a possible use case).
2) With REW’s generator, send a 997Hz single tone @-0.01dBFS and with dither at 16bits.
3) From RTA, take 5 measurements (axis in dBFS) with the volume knob set at 2, 1, 12, 11 and 10 (be careful that the 2 o’clock position does not overload the RME input).
Load 300 Ohm. Position of the load switch 250 Ohm.

0 dbFS = 3.6 Vrms
Volume @ 10 o'clock:
10_REW.jpg
10_Multitone.jpg


Volume @ 11 o'clock:
11_REW.jpg
11_Multitone.jpg


Volume @ 12 o'clock:
12_REW.jpg
12_Multitone.jpg


0 dbFS = 10.7 Vrms.
Volume @ 1 o'clock:
1_REW.jpg
1_Multitone.jpg


Volume @ 2 o'clock:
2_REW.jpg
2_Multitone.jpg
 
Thank you!

It seems 12 o’clock is the best position to minimize noise and distorsion. Maybe that’s the reason why Mc recommends it.

The jump in dB is huge between positions. I understand why it’s a pain to use.

If you select 600ohms, with the output of the RME @2vrms, what’s the distorsion?
 
If you select 600ohms, with the output of the RME @2vrms, what’s the distorsion?
The same, only the output signal amplitude is higher.
It seems 12 o’clock is the best position to minimize noise and distorsion. Maybe that’s the reason why Mc recommends it.
Perhaps by the specs. However, the gain @ 2 Vrms in, output amplitude (0.09 Vrms out) and power (with HD650, 0.02 mW) are not sufficient to properly drive headphones.
For my taste, I set the volume control between the 12 and 1 o'clock positions. This gives me 1.2~1.4 Vrms out with 2 Vrms in, and the HD650s sound happy.
 
Thank you for all the efforts, that was really interesting!
 
Thank you for all the efforts, that was really interesting!
Yes, it is an interesting experience. And I am very pleased that I succeeded.

This is the first tube amplifier in 30 years that I have been able to test with a high quality signal source and high quality headphones. The last time I touched tube sound sources was in the first half of the '90s, when they were still used in television, radios and amplifiers. Now I understand that the problem of those years was in the signal sources (radio/TV broadcasts, cassettes, records - low quality/resolution), sound reproduction devices (speakers, headphones), and also in the problems of producing high-frequency isolation transformers with a linear response.

As for the McIntosh MHA200 amplifier, most of these problems have been solved. Signal sources are now digital, and the balanced DAC outputs are of very high quality. The headphones have also progressed to acceptable sound quality. The output transformers, at least on the McIntosh, have also achieved a linear response across the entire frequency range from 20Hz to 20kHz. Despite the worst absolute figures for noise floor, harmonic distortion level and maximum output power, it reproduces all the music tracks I feed it from DAC and streaming services remarkably well.

But it should also be noted that this amplifier is not capable of producing any “Wow effect” on the sophisticated listener. If you're used to listening to high-performance solid-state headphone amps (like me, from the latest RME and Topping products), you won't be able to tell the difference by ear. The sound is good from all amps. For those who appreciate retro style and are not limited by budget, this device will do its job to the fullest, giving quality sound reproduction. For those who are looking for maximum bang for their buck, this device is far from it.
 
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The Mc user guide mentions that it’s unnecessary to match exactly the impedance to your headphones. And in your case (Sennheiser HD650), selecting the 600ohms will play louder than selecting 250ohms. You can give it a try.
Weird, when I increase the impedance setting it has a dramatic effect on sound quality. Lower impedance is significantly brighter and higher impedance setting is much warmer and sounds muffled on low impedance headphones. I think I'm happiest one setting above what the cans recommend because it avoids listening fatigue for me.
 
Weird, when I increase the impedance setting it has a dramatic effect on sound quality. Lower impedance is significantly brighter and higher impedance setting is much warmer and sounds muffled on low impedance headphones. I think I'm happiest one setting above what the cans recommend because it avoids listening fatigue for me.
Thanks! I found that my 300 Ohm headphones sounded correct with the 250 Ohm load switch position. Also, I found no change in sound coloration between all four load settings with my high impedance headphones. Only the volume changed.

@mackman, How long have you owned this amp? Have you experienced tube fatigue during this time?

In earlier posts I mentioned that one tube socket on the PCB of my amp was misaligned, and I thought it was due to the PCB manufacturing being outsourced. I was wrong. I recently found this video showing Macintosh's own PCB manufacturing. It turns out that, as always, the human factor let them down in their own production. However, I saw a comment from a former employee on one of the videos that the staff turnover there is terrible, and the attitude towards workers is mediocre.
 
Thanks! I found that my 300 Ohm headphones sounded correct with the 250 Ohm load switch position. Also, I found no change in sound coloration between all four load settings with my high impedance headphones. Only the volume changed.

@mackman, How long have you owned this amp? Have you experienced tube fatigue during this time?

In earlier posts I mentioned that one tube socket on the PCB of my amp was misaligned, and I thought it was due to the PCB manufacturing being outsourced. I was wrong. I recently found this video showing Macintosh's own PCB manufacturing. It turns out that, as always, the human factor let them down in their own production. However, I saw a comment from a former employee on one of the videos that the staff turnover there is terrible, and the attitude towards workers is mediocre.
Coming up on 2.5 years. I had static/crackle in one channel immediately after purchase and they swapped a tube out for me which fixed it. I also switched to another set of tubes at some point just for fun (some online reviewer said it sounded better, I couldn't tell). Overall no issues with it for 2.5 years. I use it with headphones from 23Ω low sensitivity, 32Ω high sensitivity, to 600Ω very low sensitivity and a few in between :)
 
I had static/crackle in one channel immediately after purchase and they swapped a tube out for me which fixed it.
I also noticed static noise in one channel. But I quickly discovered that it was caused by my nearby Wi-Fi router. And the tubes closest to it were modulating that digital communication into audible noise. It was so obvious that even inches of distance between them had a dramatic effect on the amount of static noise. Also, the mesh tube guard that I had originally removed for aesthetic reasons was reducing the noise by an order of magnitude. I had to put it back. I also had to move the amplifier itself and lower the Wi-Fi router's output power settings to make it silent.
 
Hmm, so in my case if I swapped L/R tubes the static moved (that's how I identified which tube to replace). I wonder if the issue was one of them was a better wifi antenna than the other?
 
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