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Worst measuring loudspeaker?

Kal Rubinson said:
I went for three but the KEF Blades can do that.
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I enjoyed Herb’s writing about your system recently. I got a good sense of some of the strengths of your system from his descriptions. Must be spectacular!
 
Newman said:
Yeah, I'm not judging either. It's just that you raised an issue that is as old as the hills, WAF, and in your case also SAF (Self Acceptance Factor).

That's why hifi gear tends to look like furniture compared to studio gear. Grill cloths. Wood grain. Gloss polished. Tall and thin. Floorspace considerations.

I believe the products have evolved in style to match the trends in decor. But WAF will always head in the direction of no hifi at all, because a non-audio person could always find something more attractive to do with that space. So, the only question is compromise, or no compromise. No compromise in favour of non-audio means no gear. No compromise in favour of audio means whatever gear sounds best to oneself, regardless of appearance. If WAF (or SAF) is uncompromisingly non-audio, then that's that.

But that has always been the story, even when stereo was ubiquitous.

It seems that you already have a dedicated audio room, and the question here is for a new room in which audio is secondary. I don't see anything new in your story that relates more to today than it did in the past.

As for your new room, or anyone else in the same situation, high quality MCH is definitely still an option. Have you any idea just how good is the best in-wall and in-ceiling audio? I think you might be shocked. And if you think 100 m2 is too big for in-wall, then take a look at JBL Synthesis or a competitor. More than good enough.

My conclusion is that MCH is not making things so bad that it is the reason audiophilia is shrinking. Audiophiles have always been a small minority of people who enjoy listening to recorded music. The challenges we face getting audio into our homes in an acceptable way have always been there. The solutions have evolved to match the challenge, even with MCH.

cheers
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While you make a number of good points, I think you are still underestimating the significantly increased demands of setting up and integrating multichannel systems into a home, even for an audiophile. If they go for surround speakers on stands, that can be quite cumbersome in terms of aesthetics and ergonomics, and of course, introduces a whole bunch of cabling into the equation as well. If they are trying to make things neater and more discrete and go for in-ceiling and in-wall speakers then you’re talking about running lots of cabling through walls and ceilings, etc. Which is no small deal.

There’s a reason that sound bars have become essentially the default for consumers looking for stereo/faux surround.

Audiophiles are not excepted from these concerns. It’s simply way easier to set up a stereo system. And the stereo system can provide plenty of spatial goodies, detail, dynamics etc to keep somebody entertained.
The added immersion of surround is nice, but you generally get most of the relevant sonic character music has to offer from a stereo system.

That’s my view as somebody who is into both stereo and MC.
 
Sokel said:
Hence the dilemma.
My mind has already DIYied a whole invisible wall with two floor to ceiling arrays for bass,etc.

Problem is I want the view too.I'll explain myself.We're uphill with view to the city as well as the mountains and the sea.
Now I'm writing a storm is about to begin.What better hour to blast some Tchaikovsky while nature outside would make its thing?

I have even think to install two main speakers,invisible,as columns to the said glass thing.

Pfff..My inner self wants to put Kyron Gaia and get it as industrial as it gets!
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It sounds wonderful, you don't want a lodger do you? :D

Seriously though if it were me I'd install some giant speakers and electronics that light up like the bridge of the star ship Enterprise. Make a statement of it that matches the statement the room already makes.

Anyway that's what I did but my room is only half the size and the view is just the crumbling buildings opposite.

Never really understood why it all has to be hidden or unobtrusive.
 
Mart68 said:
It sounds wonderful, you don't want a lodger do you? :D

Seriously though if it were me I'd install some giant speakers and electronics that light up like the bridge of the star ship Enterprise. Make a statement of it that matches the statement the room already makes.

Anyway that's what I did but my room is only half the size and the view is just the crumbling buildings opposite.

Never really understood why it all has to be hidden or unobtrusive.
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Come visit us when its ready :)

Ok,it's probably two things.
One is guilt.I already have a big-ish room I can internally demolish if I like.

The second one is escalation.I know the trouble of a big-ish room.You can imagine that mine before treatment presented some second and a half for RT at various points low.Now think of a little bigger one with all the naked surfaces and glass.No RC tames that.

Even so,I'm sure @Kal Rubinson fixture is amazing.And the small footprint on Blades could work.But it would be times it would be literally exposed to elements,this glass thing will open like an accordion making the inner space and the (short of) balcony as one.
And Blades are way too fragile for us cannibals.

So...

(I WILL figure something out though,that's for sure.Even if it's the good idea of headphones at the utmost need :) )
 
Sokel said:
Even so,I'm sure @Kal Rubinson fixture is amazing.And the small footprint on Blades could work.But it would be times it would be literally exposed to elements,this glass thing will open like an accordion making the inner space and the (short of) balcony as one.
And Blades are way too fragile for us cannibals.
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Perhaps a sheath for the Blade.......................
 
Newman said:
Camo.................
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The camo we all agree in this house are those but the rest of them haven't see them up close:

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I posted them in another thread.That suits the general aesthetics (different color though) .
These are no small though (not very big either) and they would have to sit at the very corners (much-much broader than the picture)

Back to the thread please,temptation is a bitch.
 
Who knows, those speakers might well belong in this thread, and hence on-topic! :cool:
 
I don't know if this counts, but I thought it was funny.

I got some really bad sleep last night, effectively none. Being a bit of zombie I couldn't do much but sit on the couch and listen to music until sleep came. I thought my setup sounded kinda weird at first, but figured it was due to a lack of sleep and just trucked on through song after song. After a few minutes it sounded fine to me.

Then I realized.

All my filtering was turned off for the speakers. No low pass on the woofer, no hipass on the tweeter, no sub integration filters. This setup is usually very linear in it's response, but this is what I was listening to.

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I'm lucky my tweeters are pretty robust as they survived just fine. You can't even see the tweeter response there because the woofer break up just masks it entirely.

Was a great learning experience in how good the brain is at adjusting to various timbres.

Ok now everyone go to sleep.
 
Newman said:
Who knows, those speakers might well belong in this thread, and hence on-topic! :cool:
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I got Douk's confirmation that (some crucial) things have been made right at those ones :cool:

And I suspect that speakers (any) would be the last of my worries,room is the enemy here,I have seen this time and time again.
I would 100% prefer a nice treated room and so-so speakers (but capable of high-ish SPL) than a bad room and SOTA speakers.
RC does nice things but not magic.

Treatment is out of the question,I have my share of this in my dedicated,so...
Adapt and compromise :)
 
I noticed that you guys were bashing Børresen within this thread. I might be able to help out.

Michael Børresen was on LinkedIn puffing and complaining about patent offices.
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7313594732541050881/

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Then I added my comment below his post.

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Respect must be earned. This guy is a joke! I can add this to my lists of stories.
https://pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archi.../Mowry_Steve/Air_Core_Tweeter_Magnet_Assy.pdf

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Voice Coil is an industry wide publication and it's free. What is the probability that he reads Voice Coil? Please wait while I integrate.
 
mwmkravchenko said:
Matches the terrible sound I heard at the Montreal Audio Show last year. So much potential wasted by poor engineering.
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Heard the specific one that Erin reviewed last year at Axpona and I didn't like it at all. I think that was because I went from Lyngdorf's Cue-100 Room and MoFi's room; so, going from something sensibly balanced to this resonant nonsense was jarring enough for me to not stay more than 5 minutes. Sounded so wrong I was confused why some people were nodding in the room
 
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Throwing this in here just because B&W often enough show up in this thread:

I just watched Gene’s (Audioholics) video review of the B&W 805 D4 stand mounted speakers. (I don’t think we are supposed to post YouTube videos directly?)

He was very enthusiastic. Seem to genuinely love the sound. Which isn’t that surprising because he stated previously that the current flagship 801s were one of the most memorable Sonic experiences he’s ever had.

Naturally, he describes some of the forwardness in the upper mid and highs, but also describes them as generally smooth and agreeable in character, allowing him to enjoy that extra sense of detail and airiness to the presentation. Amazing imaging and soundstaging. He even said, sometimes it felt like listening to surround sound.

It was interesting because his description was exactly like my friend’s description who has those loudspeakers now.

Basically “ yes these are deliberately coloured speakers, but wow the effect can be very compelling.”

As I mentioned before, B&Ws aren’t for me, but when I hear them I get the appeal.
 
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