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Worst measuring loudspeaker?

Gringoaudio1 said:
Exactly. That is a decent curve. There are no fundamental harmonics at 10k so it would not even sound ‘bright’.
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Probably not. But for some reason my ears object to peaks in the treble.
 
While not bad for 5 grand I wouldn't really consider them, on the other hand Canton street prices here in Germany drop quickly and strongly (few years ago you could get most models around half price of MSRP), even this relatively new model 100 was recently on offer for 3600€ pair price https://www.mein-deal.com/canton-vento-100/
In other countries I guess the situation is less fortunate though.
 
thewas said:
While not bad for 5 grand I wouldn't really consider them, on the other hand Canton street prices here in Germany drop quickly and strongly (few years ago you could get most models around half price of MSRP), even this relatively new model 100 was recently on offer for 3600€ pair price https://www.mein-deal.com/canton-vento-100/
In other countries I guess the situation is less fortunate though.
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If I just loved them, I'd simply put an LCR tank in series with the tweeter. Does seem a shame to pay so much and still have to play speaker designer.
 
How old would the target market be?

I remember in the 70's that then designer Martin Colloms thought nothing of spicing up the hf a bit to help mask midrange colorations (he said this in front of me once) and a few of his 70's Monitor Audio designs were just like this (except the MA4 which was rather the opposite I remember). I'd suggest today, that this ott hf response may well appeal to older buyers able to spend five grand in Euros on a pair of passive boxes... I seem to recall a good many European designed and made boxes having sparkle engineered in but not sure if this still happens today generally.
 
DSJR said:
How old would the target market be?

I remember in the 70's that then designer Martin Colloms thought nothing of spicing up the hf a bit to help mask midrange colorations (he said this in front of me once) and a few of his 70's Monitor Audio designs were just like this (except the MA4 which was rather the opposite I remember). I'd suggest today, that this ott hf response may well appeal to older buyers able to spend five grand in Euros on a pair of passive boxes... I seem to recall a good many European designed and made boxes having sparkle engineered in but not sure if this still happens today generally.
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That's a common refrain, yet when I try that (and I'm 70), my ears just say, "ouch!". I end right back at flat response.
 
DSJR said:
So do mine, but it does seem a thing...
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Yeah, it does. There must be different types of age-related hearing loss.
 
Godataloss said:
Considering my Khorns have nearly doubled in value in the few years I've owned them, I'd say they measure far better than most any speaker I've heard mentioned on ASR, lol.
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They may be far better than most other affordable loudspeakers concerning:
  1. Modulation distortion
  2. Usable dynamic range
  3. Harmonic distortion
  4. Rendition of brass, organ, percussion, the human voice (subjectively)
But they aren't as good as some others for strings.
And they have frequency response that is not smooth -- but is fine with good room treatment, Audyssey, Dirac, and, I presume, Trinnov. I have yet to hear speakers I would trade Khorns for. They help me recall the orchestras in which I've played.
Music room/ theater:
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garyrc said:
They may be far better than most other affordable loudspeakers concerning:
  1. Modulation distortion
  2. Usable dynamic range
  3. Harmonic distortion
  4. Rendition of brass, organ, percussion, the human voice (subjectively)
But they aren't as good as some others for strings.
And they have frequency response that is not smooth -- but is fine with good room treatment, Audyssey, Dirac, and, I presume, Trinnov. I have yet to hear speakers I would trade Khorns for. They help me recall the orchestras in which I've played.
Music room/ theater: View attachment 331524View attachment 331525View attachment 331527View attachment 331528
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What your K horns will do that few others will is match the dynamics of an uncompressed recording. I have designed many types of loudspeakers. What has been noticed over and over is that watts do not make up for inefficiency. Very quickly there is power compression in loudspeakers and we turn them up a little more, and heat them up a little more. As for the rest I agree with some EQ help they can be listenable. As they are, not so much. Low end is not so impressive either. Played French Horn for 6 years. Never went Pro. But still remember being there.

Mark
 
garyrc said:
They may be far better than most other affordable loudspeakers concerning:
  1. Modulation distortion
  2. Usable dynamic range
  3. Harmonic distortion
  4. Rendition of brass, organ, percussion, the human voice (subjectively)
But they aren't as good as some others for strings.
And they have frequency response that is not smooth -- but is fine with good room treatment, Audyssey, Dirac, and, I presume, Trinnov. I have yet to hear speakers I would trade Khorns for. They help me recall the orchestras in which I've played.
Music room/ theater: View attachment 331524View attachment 331525View attachment 331527View attachment 331528
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Replacing the tweeters and the mid-horn goes a long way to mellowing them out. I added the Volti parts to mine and they made quite a difference in my smaller room. Dirac helped as well, but Like you, I moved mine to my home theater as potential prelude to selling them. Wow are they fantastic in this environment.
 
Hi-Fi News strike gold with the Living Voice R80 at a paltry 47K.
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The ‘designer’ of this speaker is held in near mythic status by some, a good back story and smooth sales patter goes such a very long way.
Keith
 
Without the 10k peak you could be excused for a mid-range dip, it's otherwise a falling response.
Not sure what the bass dip is; perhaps they can market it as adjust your wall distance to fill it in XD
47k though, perhaps I should have learnt to write stories
 
So it seems they use Scanspeak Ellipticor drivers. That response after 3k is actually close to the true response of that rather expensive driver. 30⁰ off axis it is flat.
I feel like they could do a 3 way perhaps a way with active bass for that outlay.
 
Just needs one of these to perk up the treble.
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Keith
 
Not sure , Paul Miller used to run a site where you could look at the entire measurement suite , one had to register it was quite interesting .
Might be worth searching for that, other magazines do use his measurement gear/protocols I believe.
Keith
 
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