Worst measuring loudspeaker?

[Mnyb]

I’ve become somewhat sceptical to all these special solutions in audio that tend to pop up , they are at best a one trick pony, or the “problem” they solve really are not what they think . Seems to me the myth that you can’t have crossovers in the midrange comes from doing it badly in the past not understanding the full dispersion of the speaker in all directions… ? Now we do and it’s not a huge problem at-least not such a huge problem that introducing even worse problems are a valid solution .

Audio seems to have been a bit exploratory in the past many paths where tried , but as for now more refined traditional transducers waveguides or coaxes and measurements aided xover design seem to make more progress.

 

[MattHooper]

For your consideration…

The Wilson Sabrina X loudspeaker:

Wilson Audio Sabrina V loudspeaker Lab Report

The technical performance of the Sabrina V versus the previous X [HFN Dec ’20] can be summed up quite simply: it is slightly less sensitive (88.9dB vs. 89.6dB/1kHz), the response is slightly less uniform (errors are ±3.8dB vs. ±2.9dB, re. 200Hz-20kHz) and it’s a little tougher to drive, but all...

www.hifinews.com

 

[MarkS]

And only $43K!

 

[SHDK]

Hallo all.

I'm new to this, so this might be a obvious question. But what makes a bad measure for a speaker. What should I look at to decide if a speaker measure good or bad ?

 

[MarkS]

I'm new to this, so this might be a obvious question. But what makes a bad measure for a speaker. What should I look at to decide if a speaker measure good or bad ?

You can start with this tutorial:

Understanding Speaker Measurements (Video)

Per popular demand, I recorded a long (1 hour) video on how to read speaker measurements but also, the underlying research (and physics) that mandate some of those concepts. Also covered is equalization and listening tests (briefly). As usual, my videos are "one take" directly recorded and...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[olds1959special]

Probably the pair I made myself by gutting some no name diy speakers and putting a full range driver into the place of where the woofer went, and covering up the tweeter hole with a sticker.

 

[SHDK]

Im curious, i bought my focals with what turned out to be a limited knowledge. To be honest i only looked at norminel impedans and sensitivity. Later i have heart them described as "hard to drive"

But what do you guys actually think looking at the measurements. Are they really that bad?

The measurements are in the bottom of this review

Focal Theva No 3 Floor-standing Speakers Review - HomeTheaterHifi.com

With the world economy the way it is right now, most people are looking for value when they spend their money. Audio products manufacturers...

hometheaterhifi.com

 

[IngMishael]

Im curious, i bought my focals with what turned out to be a limited knowledge. To be honest i only looked at norminel impedans and sensitivity. Later i have heart them described as "hard to drive"

But what do you guys actually think looking at the measurements. Are they really that bad?

The measurements are in the bottom of this review

Focal Theva No 3 Floor-standing Speakers Review - HomeTheaterHifi.com

With the world economy the way it is right now, most people are looking for value when they spend their money. Audio products manufacturers...

hometheaterhifi.com

Impedance looks average. with lowest saddle around 100 - 170Hz region. And with port blocked looks the best with electrical phase too. On axis tonal balance is slight V shaped. No

 

[SHDK]

Impedance looks average. with lowest saddle around 100 - 170Hz region. And with port blocked looks the best with electrical phase too. On axis tonal balance is slight V shaped. No

Thanks for chipping in. Sounds descent. You end with writing "No" no what ?

 

[kharan]

For your consideration…

The Wilson Sabrina X loudspeaker:

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Wilson Audio Sabrina V loudspeaker Lab Report

The technical performance of the Sabrina V versus the previous X [HFN Dec ’20] can be summed up quite simply: it is slightly less sensitive (88.9dB vs. 89.6dB/1kHz), the response is slightly less uniform (errors are ±3.8dB vs. ±2.9dB, re. 200Hz-20kHz) and it’s a little tougher to drive, but all...

www.hifinews.com

Cut in the low mids to enhance the impression of big bass, cut in the 2-3 k region to avoid being "shouty" while enhancing details with its above average high mids and lower treble. Classic.

 

[Salt]

Though it's a wide low from 300 to 900 Hz: that should not be there and is audible; the notch in midrange might be inaudible, but why to do so?

 

[Ktacos]

For your consideration…

The Wilson Sabrina X loudspeaker:

View attachment 486773

Wilson Audio Sabrina V loudspeaker Lab Report

The technical performance of the Sabrina V versus the previous X [HFN Dec ’20] can be summed up quite simply: it is slightly less sensitive (88.9dB vs. 89.6dB/1kHz), the response is slightly less uniform (errors are ±3.8dB vs. ±2.9dB, re. 200Hz-20kHz) and it’s a little tougher to drive, but all...

www.hifinews.com

This response is so confusing, did they do the mid to tweeter filter wrong on purpose or something? Does anyone at wilson even understand what a crossover filter is or does?

 

[kharan]

The reality is that the primary goal of any loudspeaker company is to sell speakers, how they achieve that goal is secondary.

Untrained listeners present a high preference variation, add in visual bias and storytelling, I figure that timbral accuracy is about the least important factor in the sale of a luxury speaker. IMHO, a lot of speakers in the luxury/esoteric niche of the market are achieving their goals very decently, it just happens that accuracy to the incoming signal was never a part of that list of goals.

It's frankly more reasonable to look at that segment of the market as very expensive effects generator.

 

[Mart68]

I wonder how many high end dealers stock 'designed by ear with a back-story' speakers alongside accurate ones?

It may be that, at least sometimes, the customer is just choosing the best of a bad bunch.

 

[Purité Audio]

I wonder how many high end dealers stock 'designed by ear with a back-story' speakers alongside accurate ones?

It may be that, at least sometimes, the customer is just choosing the best of a bad bunch.

Proper dealers’ first question to a new customer is,
‘what is your budget’, if that budget is above the ’accurate’ ones then the customer will never hear them.
Keith

 

[mixsit]

PMC
Curious about these fellows a bit back and ran them down here at the site.
Now for this thread.. I guess it fits right in. Um, the only one maybe, I know of.. he makes well 'less than complimentary mentions?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/pmc-result6-monitor-review.60937/

 

[Purité Audio]

Devore something or other, courtesy of Stereophile, the nonsense in the article, I would say unbelievable but it’s no more unbelievable than every other subjective review.
Keith

 

[MarkS]

That one has nothing on this one, Volti something or other

 

[MattHooper]

Devore something or other, courtesy of Stereophile, the nonsense in the article, I would say unbelievable but it’s no more unbelievable than every other subjective review.
Keith
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I was always curious to hear Super Nines.
I’d still like to hear them. I suspect I’d find certain aspects I could enjoy given my experience with other Devore speakers.

I was able to briefly audition the larger Gibbon X model, the big brother of these.
They had some compelling aspects to the sound in the tracks I heard, but I found the bass, at least in the room I auditioned in, to sound sort of overripe, plodding and detached from the rest of the frequencies.

Devore speakers are like anchovies on pizza (for anchovy haters) for some here. But I enjoy anchovies on pizza. (as well as pineapple.)

 

[NTK]

Devore speakers are like anchovies on pizza (for anchovy haters) for some here. But I enjoy anchovies on pizza. (as well as pineapple.)

You like anchovies and pineapple, in fixed amounts that you cannot change, on your pizza and everything else that comes out of the oven, without exception, all the time?