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World Cup 2026 Thread

Argentina has always had a rather unique national identity. Because of relative high European immigration, the country developed probably a somewhat more European self-image than many of its South American neighbours.

After decades of prosperity, especially around 1900 when Argentina was among the wealthiest countries in the world, the country gradually entered a period of economic decline from the 1930s onwards, marked by global shocks, political instability, inflation and repeated financial crises and perhaps as a result, a sense of lost status.

In that kind of environment, football could become more than just a sport It could become a stage to a sort of restoring national pride. Sometimes that can translate into a mentality where winning matters more than the way you win.
It does not excuse aggressive play, provocations or crossing the line, but it may help explain the background. When there are few (Fifa :facepalm: ) consequences, it can create the impression that almost anything is allowed in the pursuit of victory.

Against Spain, however, the reality check arrived. Mentality alone is not enough. Over 120 minutes, Argentina was simply outplayed a reminder that football is ultimately decided on the pitch, not by reputation or attitude.
Interest in Argentina is relatively high here in the Netherlands by the fact that Queen Máxima is Argentine born and quite popular.
 
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Agree.

I think yellow for flopping should be a more common outcome.
Well, when you've been running behind the ball for 90 minutes, cramps are rampant too, and just really tired legs can make you flop. How many times I flopped out of two of these issues... Hard to judge which is which most of the time. Sometimes players get a yellow for simulations but only when it's obvious.
The refereeing during this world cup has been way too permissive, way more than in the champions league for instance, and I think it's a feature not a bug and that referees have received instructions on the matter, because it's not really professional football and the stakes aren't the same in nation football.
 
Argentina has always had a rather unique national identity. Because of relative high European immigration, the country developed probably a somewhat more European self-image than many of its South American neighbours.

After decades of prosperity, especially around 1900 when Argentina was among the wealthiest countries in the world, the country gradually entered a period of economic decline from the 1930s onwards, marked by global shocks, political instability, inflation and repeated financial crises and perhaps as a result, a sense of lost status.

In that kind of environment, football could become more than just a sport It could become a stage to a sort of restoring national pride. Sometimes that can translate into a mentality where winning matters more than the way you win.
It does not excuse aggressive play, provocations or crossing the line, but it may help explain the background. When there are few (Fifa :facepalm: ) consequences, it can create the impression that almost anything is allowed in the pursuit of victory.

Against Spain, however, the reality check arrived. Mentality alone is not enough. Over 120 minutes, Argentina was simply outplayed a reminder that football is ultimately decided on the pitch, not by reputation or attitude.
Interest in Argentina is relatively high here in the Netherlands by the fact that Queen Máxima is Argentine born and quite popular.
We've all had hard times. From my point of view it's systemic indeed, has to do with the culture. As an argentinian kid it educates you, it tells you cheating, thuggery and craftiness is ok as long as you reach success, and that racism is just a harmless joke. It makes shit and corrupt societies where people's rights and dignity aren't respected. I've seen this scheme in many countries.
 
Argentina should be banned from the next WC. Unless they completely change what they call their "soccer identity" they should stay in their country. And FIFA clearly wanted to gift Messi a second championship. Why Messi never adopted Spanish citizenship only he knows, he moved there age at age 12 and would have never been successful without the growth hormone treatment that Barcelona paid for. He'd also have won at least 3 world cups, I figure.
I for one will never watch Argentina play again, their p*sspoor sportsmanship has been on display way too often over the years. Clean up your house, FIFA, tell your refs there's no such thing as an "Argentina style" that needs special consideration.
 
Well, when you've been running behind the ball for 90 minutes, cramps are rampant too, and just really tired legs can make you flop. How many times I flopped out of two of these issues... Hard to judge which is which most of the time.

I figured that "flopping" meant "diving", meaning faking a foul to gain an advantage. Not just falling.

What I absolutely hate is that when they are "diving" they look like they are in the worst pain in their life. Like they literally broke a bone or dislocated a knee or something. It lasts for about 15 seconds and then they're up and walking around again. In contrast, a lot of times when they're actually injured regardless of if it's a foul they kind'a look like they're in less pain, but it looks real. Those are the cases I think yellow is warranted.

Player falls dramatically, makes a face like the knee just bent the wrong way by 90 degrees and the world is ending, doesn't get the foul, is up in 5-10 seconds and running like nothing happened... yellow!

The refereeing during this world cup has been way too permissive, way more than in the champions league for instance, and I think it's a feature not a bug and that referees have received instructions on the matter

"too permissive"? I don't know. I remember several games from the group stage where I really felt the lack of stopped plays were a good thing. Players kept diving and didn't get rewarded. Good. Maybe I missed some games that were more dirty. There were games I saw though that were dirty, and maybe more fouls should have been awarded in them. Just not that many games.
 
Argentina should be banned from the next WC. Unless they completely change what they call their "soccer identity" they should stay in their country. And FIFA clearly wanted to gift Messi a second championship. Why Messi never adopted Spanish citizenship only he knows, he moved there age at age 12 and would have never been successful without the growth hormone treatment that Barcelona paid for. He'd also have won at least 3 world cups, I figure.
I for one will never watch Argentina play again, their p*sspoor sportsmanship has been on display way too often over the years. Clean up your house, FIFA, tell your refs there's no such thing as an "Argentina style" that needs special consideration.
Here's for you. Spanish pilot pranks argentina supporters superbly. Subtitles on for non spanish speaking people.
This is hilarious :D

Espana Ha ganado :D
 
I can't stand that whole "act" of FLOP!

At the finals, one player faked like he was in horrible pain before even getting touched (I slo-mo'd it, to see) and then, he looked around but no one was paying attention, so he just got up and ran towards the action! :rolleyes:

TV cameras should zoom-in for the flops more often, so that there may be a big fan outcry to do something about those flops. The player stats should show not just shots/assists/goals but also flops!

In Formula1 races, they have those cranes -around the circuits- to get crashed cars off the circuit pronto... something similar could be done for all flopping performance-artists... heck, such a player don't even deserve a stretcher!
I bet if soccer was big in the States, the cost of TV-rights would try to turn matches into commercial-laden event spectacles... and advertisers would be willing to pay players to flop even more; so that they can have more time for commercials!

We refuse to watch any (ANY) event live. If we cannot DVR it and be able to FWD thru the commercials, we just don't do it!

What a waste of millions of fans' quality time!:mad:
 
I can't stand that whole "act" of FLOP!

At the finals, one player faked like he was in horrible pain before even getting touched (I slo-mo'd it, to see) and then, he looked around but no one was paying attention, so he just got up and ran towards the action! :rolleyes:

TV cameras should zoom-in for the flops more often, so that there may be a big fan outcry to do something about those flops. The player stats should show not just shots/assists/goals but also flops!

In Formula1 races, they have those cranes -around the circuits- to get crashed cars off the circuit pronto... something similar could be done for all flopping performance-artists... heck, such a player don't even deserve a stretcher!
I bet if soccer was big in the States, the cost of TV-rights would try to turn matches into commercial-laden event spectacles... and advertisers would be willing to pay players to flop even more; so that they can have more time for commercials!

We refuse to watch any (ANY) event live. If we cannot DVR it and be able to FWD thru the commercials, we just don't do it!

What a waste of millions of fans' quality time!:mad:

All sports events have their weaknesses players try to exploit, come on. As soon as there are judges or referees are involved, accept the fact they are fallible, in ANY sport. let's not single out soccer for that.
i DO agree the whole faking disgusts me. easy obvious solution: anyone lying on the floor writhing in pain gets an immediate 10 minute sideline to get treated, no matter if they feel they magically recovered, and their team plays with minus-1 player for that time. immediately. don't stop the game - just cart them out quickly to get the medical attention they seem to need. that'd make them get up quickly.
 
Going into the match, I was rooting for Argentina to win. At first, I thought @Karmacoma was making up crazy conspiracies - but no, it was me who did not see the clear favouritism and all the ref decisions that went their way. There are two clear losers after the WC Final: Argentina, who have disgraced themselves. Losing a World Cup isn't really a loss, you still came in 2nd. That's still something to be proud of! But if you REALLY want to lose the World Cup, throw a tantrum, behave unsportsmanlike ... and now you REALLY are a loser. The other loser is FIFA, who have lost all credibility. It didn't take long for my mood to change from disappointment to relief after I realized that the better team won.

Congratulations to Spain, for a well deserved victory. I think most of us are pleased that the Spanish won, and it's not only because they played better football. They were clearly the better sportsmen.
 
We've all had hard times. From my point of view it's systemic indeed, has to do with the culture. As an argentinian kid it educates you, it tells you cheating, thuggery and craftiness is ok as long as you reach success, and that racism is just a harmless joke. It makes shit and corrupt societies where people's rights and dignity aren't respected. I've seen this scheme in many countries.

Unfortunately you're right. Racism and tribal behaviour often thrive where there is uncertainty, insecurity and a constant struggle over scarce resources due to wars, inflation what have you....

Human existence has always been shaped by time, survival and entropy. Because of that resources, opportunities and even our lifespan are limited, so competition is part of our nature. History keeps repeating itself because those underlying conditions rarely change. The real question is whether societies recognise these patterns and consciously choose to rise above them.

Take the Netherlands as an example. Many people are deeply concerned that refugees with residence permits sometimes receive priority for social housing, while their own children may wait years for an affordable home. Whether that perception is fully accurate or not, it dominates the public debate because it is immediate and visible. Yet a far bigger disruption is already on the horizon AI. Within the next decade, millions of AI agents could automate a substantial share of administrative, legal, financial, programming and other white-collar tasks. That has the potential to affect far more young people than today's housing allocation debates. :facepalm:

Humans tend to focus on the threat they can see today, while underestimating or don't (want to) see the one quietly reshaping tomorrow
 
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Within the next decade, millions of AI agents could automate a substantial share of administrative, legal, financial, programming and other white-collar tasks.

What you should really be scared of is government using AI to audit you. Right now, it's just AI automated speeding tickets, mobile phone cameras, and ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition). In Australia, it is illegal to even touch your phone while you are driving. You don't even have to look at it. If your phone is in the passenger seat, and you are touching it, that's illegal. We have AI powered cameras that watch you and send you an automatic fine if they catch you doing that. There are many cases of AI's misidentifying wallets, sunglasses, and other objects as phones, and it is difficult to worm your way out of that automated AI fine. Through legislation, the government has shifted the burden of proof onto you to prove your innocence. And it's the same with speed cameras.

Imagine if we had AI powered tax audits. They send you a letter saying you owe $100k, and it's up to you to prove that you don't. And if you fail to cough up, the ANPR will detect you driving down the road and the police can arrest you. Or if you want to go on holiday, they can arrest you at the airport. We really are sleepwalking into an Orwellian future.
 
What you should really be scared of is government using AI to audit you. Right now, it's just AI automated speeding tickets, mobile phone cameras, and ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition). In Australia, it is illegal to even touch your phone while you are driving. You don't even have to look at it. If your phone is in the passenger seat, and you are touching it, that's illegal. We have AI powered cameras that watch you and send you an automatic fine if they catch you doing that. There are many cases of AI's misidentifying wallets, sunglasses, and other objects as phones, and it is difficult to worm your way out of that automated AI fine. Through legislation, the government has shifted the burden of proof onto you to prove your innocence. And it's the same with speed cameras.

Imagine if we had AI powered tax audits. They send you a letter saying you owe $100k, and it's up to you to prove that you don't. And if you fail to cough up, the ANPR will detect you driving down the road and the police can arrest you. Or if you want to go on holiday, they can arrest you at the airport. We really are sleepwalking into an Orwellian future.
That's a real dystopian scenario. :cool:
 
If I remember it correctly, was it Klose who, in a game, once said to the referee that he shouldn't have the penalty he just had won
Klose will always be the goat in my book! I’ve had these in my work bag at all times since 2014 - lol.

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An AP News story on how the photo of a 20YO Lionel Messi helping bathe a two months-old Lamine Yamal came to be.....


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Topps has announced they will issue a trading card of Lionel Messi holding an infant Lamine Yamal.

 
There were $5m usd bets placed shortly before the match that wagered Spain would tie cabo verde in the group stage. That was a very improbable outcome.

A Danish watchdog group flagged that and 7 other possible instances of fraud in the world cup.
 
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