gberchin
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Requiring Windows 11 and requiring TPM 2.0 are two different things. It might be useful to compile a list of software and applications that require TPM 2.0, as they are found.
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Windows 11 Pro 25H2 (insider preview) free upgrade installation on officially-unsupported outdated PC
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My post#76 discussed the new mandatory online log-in credentialing now needed for Win11.
My post#99 linked to a yt video about TPM's potential privacy implications.
In addition, Microsoft, for Windows11 25H2 (as well as 24H2), is reinforcing UEFI firmware w/SecureBoot capabilities as an explicit prerequisite for both upgrade paths.
These are not different things, mon Ami.
Of course, there have always been workarounds as well as new bypass methods and tools to remove restrictions.
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I've been using Win-11 for quite some time, and I never log in to the Microsoft servers. Of course, they may be making that more difficult going forward (but not impossible).
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I've been following this thread with great interest, but have one nagging question:
What happens with these "bootleg" upgrades down the road when apps (TurboTax, your bank, etc.) start requiring an active TPM chip to access them ?
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If that were to happen (haven't seen any indication of that, but I haven't really looked) it may be time to look at new HW. In my case, those types of apps are only accessed from one of my machines that already has TPM HW. IOW, no impact for me. YMMV.
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That's not what I meant. I meant that there may be software that requires Windows 11 in order to run, but not TPM 2.0. There may be other software that requires TPM 2.0, but which could still run under Windows 10 or earlier (unlikely, but it could happen). There may be yet other software that requires both. It would be nice to know which software falls into which category.
An example was provided in the video: He stated that TurboTAX 2025 will require Windows 11, but whether it also requires TPM 2.0 is as yet undetermined.
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Too much updates, too frequent updates, are going on Windows 11 25H2?
At least to my personal feeling, during the past only one month, too much updates, too frequent updates, have been going on Windows 11 25H2; do you feel the same?
Now my version of my Windows 11 25H2, in all of my PCs upgraded to 25H2, is OS build 26200.7019, and today I disabled the automatic Windows update for coming 5 weeks! Even after this period, I will continue disabling Windows update until the end of year, since all the Windows 11 25H2 PCs work perfectly fine now.
Just for your reference, I use/subscribe the latest version of ESET Internet Security (now ver. 19.0.11.0) on all the PCs.
BTW, I read somewhere on the web that Microsoft shall not release any update on Windows 25H2 in coming December, but I am now very much suspicious about it...
At least to my personal feeling, during the past only one month, too much updates, too frequent updates, have been going on Windows 11 25H2; do you feel the same?
Now my version of my Windows 11 25H2, in all of my PCs upgraded to 25H2, is OS build 26200.7019, and today I disabled the automatic Windows update for coming 5 weeks! Even after this period, I will continue disabling Windows update until the end of year, since all the Windows 11 25H2 PCs work perfectly fine now.
Just for your reference, I use/subscribe the latest version of ESET Internet Security (now ver. 19.0.11.0) on all the PCs.
BTW, I read somewhere on the web that Microsoft shall not release any update on Windows 25H2 in coming December, but I am now very much suspicious about it...
What does ESET do for you that Windows11 built-in security features (e.g. Defender) is not doing?Too much updates, too frequent updates, are going onWindows 11 25H2?
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Just for your reference, I use/subscribe the latest version of ESET Internet Security (now ver. 19.0.11.0) on all the PCs.
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ESET @v19.x.x.x does not sound like a poster-child of limited updates and/or upgrades.
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I use Windows 11 Pro 25H2 also on some outdated not-officially-supported PCs, as I summarized in my post #29. This is the main reason for my utilization of ESET Internet Security since I am afraid of possibility that Windows security features would not always good enough on these unsupported PCs (e.g. they do not have TPM).
So far, ESET have been working nicely giving proper alarms for malware (i.e. improper manual or automatic installations for suspicious applications/software), perfect eliminations/deletions of virus infected e-mails, excellent sorting-out of spam/junk mails, providing safe internet banking features, etc., etc.
So far, ESET have been working nicely giving proper alarms for malware (i.e. improper manual or automatic installations for suspicious applications/software), perfect eliminations/deletions of virus infected e-mails, excellent sorting-out of spam/junk mails, providing safe internet banking features, etc., etc.
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I don't know if I can be accused of hijack/OT the post... 
But I found a very nice FREEware solution called WinHance, which I like to share with Win10/Win11 OS ASR-users, who maybe concerned with bloatware, telemetry, and privacy:
github depository would be the way to give it a try and donations are welcomed.
But I found a very nice FREEware solution called WinHance, which I like to share with Win10/Win11 OS ASR-users, who maybe concerned with bloatware, telemetry, and privacy:
If the above may sound a bit over the top; you can watch the youtube 'how to'.
github depository would be the way to give it a try and donations are welcomed.
Keeps working for me on 2 unsupported devices.
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A short notice from OP:
As a follow-up of my above post #107 and #109, I re-started Windows Updates on January 15.
After the application of the latest update patch KB5078127, in all of the officially-unsupported-outdated PCs (ref. #29), the Windows 11 25H2 is now (as of today) "OS build 26200.7628" with no issue at all, they keep working perfectly fine at least in my PCs.
The latest/present version of ESET Internet Security is 19.0.14.0 in all the PCs.
For your reference, essentially, I have been never trusting Microsoft's cloud storage services; my Windows account has been always "Local Account", and I have been never using "Microsoft Teams" and/or "One Drive", etc. which means I save all the documents in local SSD/HDD/NAS.
I use only "Dropbox" for cloud plus local saving of some folders/files/documents. The specific "Dropbox Rout Folder" is common for all of my PCs including my mobile note PC, and I can share any of the "Dropbox Folders" with other people by assigning specific password and randomized/secret long-character-access-link to the folder for only determined/limited period.
Even though I use Microsoft 365 (Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Designer), all the software components are installed "locally", and the PST files of Outlook are also always in local SSD/HDD (and in NAS for backup). This means I have/had no issue at all of the recently reported "Outlook issue" of unable to open PST e-mail files on Microsoft's cloud.
Therefore, I can perfectly run Microsoft 365 components even with no internet access. I occasionally intensively use Microsoft 365 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) while the LAN cable (and Wi-Fi internet connection) is/are intentionally disconnected.
As a follow-up of my above post #107 and #109, I re-started Windows Updates on January 15.
After the application of the latest update patch KB5078127, in all of the officially-unsupported-outdated PCs (ref. #29), the Windows 11 25H2 is now (as of today) "OS build 26200.7628" with no issue at all, they keep working perfectly fine at least in my PCs.
The latest/present version of ESET Internet Security is 19.0.14.0 in all the PCs.
For your reference, essentially, I have been never trusting Microsoft's cloud storage services; my Windows account has been always "Local Account", and I have been never using "Microsoft Teams" and/or "One Drive", etc. which means I save all the documents in local SSD/HDD/NAS.
I use only "Dropbox" for cloud plus local saving of some folders/files/documents. The specific "Dropbox Rout Folder" is common for all of my PCs including my mobile note PC, and I can share any of the "Dropbox Folders" with other people by assigning specific password and randomized/secret long-character-access-link to the folder for only determined/limited period.
Even though I use Microsoft 365 (Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Designer), all the software components are installed "locally", and the PST files of Outlook are also always in local SSD/HDD (and in NAS for backup). This means I have/had no issue at all of the recently reported "Outlook issue" of unable to open PST e-mail files on Microsoft's cloud.
Therefore, I can perfectly run Microsoft 365 components even with no internet access. I occasionally intensively use Microsoft 365 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) while the LAN cable (and Wi-Fi internet connection) is/are intentionally disconnected.
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Do you first do an 'image' of your current OS (and/or the HDD it occupies) before attempting to upgrade?
On a fully and "officially supported" Win11Pro machine, I am stuck on 23H2.
Each of the numerous installation upgrade attempts (to both 24H2+25H2 ISOs) have failed
The installation, then, attempts to go thru the longer process of reverting back to my original 23H2.
And each one of these numerous upgrade attempts (I lost count after #6) always results in a BSOD (but Green, not Blue puke).
Using Acronis TrueImage to do a proper image before all my upgrade attempts has saved my bacon each time.
I have finally raised the white flag and don't try anymore.
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Just for safety, I periodically, actually monthly, take "whole the disk copy (including MBR and other hidden portions) " of Windows OS drive C: SSD into .vhdx variable-size-virtual-HDD-file (prepared by Microsoft's Disk Management); the "disk copy" is done by using Paragon Partition Manager 14 Professional while the Windows is normally running.
Every time, prior to such "disk copy", I cleanup the perfectly working OS drive C: by
PC -->select drive C: -->cleanup (... pull-down menu) -->cleanup-system-files -->check-all-the-items -->OK -->delete-files
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After application of the latest update patch KB5077181, in all of the officially-unsupported-outdated PCs (ref. #29), the Windows 11 25H2 is now (as of today February 11, 2026) "OS build 26200.7840" with no issue at all, they keep working perfectly fine at least in my PCs.
On this thread, I will not be sharing further almost-weekly Windows updates except for possible rather "major" updates which may happen monthly or bi-monthly.
On this thread, I will not be sharing further almost-weekly Windows updates except for possible rather "major" updates which may happen monthly or bi-monthly.
Thank you, that maybe my next attempt.
FlyOObee identifies itself to be an assisted 'transition' [upgrade] from Windows10 to Windows11.
I've tried Rufus previously but with the same BSOD of:
"PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA (0x50)"
WindowsUpdateTroubleShooter finds no errors and neither do chkdsk/sfc/dism/memtest.
One of the earlier Microsoft suggestion was to limit the number of partitions on the primary drive to 2.
One of the most recent Microsoft[AI] corrective recommendations was to disable overclocking.
Attempt #9, in the last few days, finished an automatic 25H2 update. After the final reboot, ... BSOD again, but was able to undo the botched install attempt back to 23H2.
Upon next boot (#10), my Win11Pro decided that it was going to do an auto-upgrade to 24H2,... same BSOD and same recovery back to 23H2 again.
Microsoft is reviewing the log/dump files.
I am certain that there recommendation is going to be to do a fresh install (rather than an upgrade to 25H2).
No way!