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Wilson Alexia V - 2023 Stereophile Speaker of the Year ???

What now? The measurements are the cake.

Would you ask if anyone has tasted a 500€ cake that's burned and topped with sawdust and rusty nails?
Aaha I knew I would get flamed for this. I am putting measurements aside to see what people who have heard them think. I do think it's odd to talk about a product no one has actually heard or seen in person. To repeat, I am not invalidating the measurements.
 
They won't be pairing the 4 ohm, 88db speaker of the year with the 8 watt amplifier of the year! :p
 
Aaha I knew I would get flamed for this. I am putting measurements aside to see what people who have heard them think. I do think it's odd to talk about a product no one has actually heard or seen in person. To repeat, I am not invalidating the measurements.
No flame there, the cake is just a false analogy.

If this was a 1k speaker from Bozo Audio, this thread would have stopped at page one and nobody would ever wonder if anyone had listened to it before filing it under "nope".
 
Aaha I knew I would get flamed for this. I am putting measurements aside to see what people who have heard them think. I do think it's odd to talk about a product no one has actually heard or seen in person. To repeat, I am not invalidating the measurements.
I recently heard them in someone's home.

We listened to music rather than test tones, but I can relay a solely subjective impression that, of course, is not valid, so not looking for trouble.

Things they did well...under sighted listening conditions...

Many speakers need to be played at a certain volume to give me a certain feeling of hearing what all is on a recording. These did amazing at low level listening. Right from the get go, the images were present and stable and all the parts of the music seemed well integrated together, and it stayed that way as the volume went up up up. There was no notable strain at higher volumes...the drivers seemed perfectly happy. (You know how some speakers at high volume start to convey a sense of compression, or you hear the distortion increase, and the tweeters lose their clarity? These didn't do that.)

Imaging was a very strong point in their favor - which is part of a good room set up, etc. So, given the opportunity, these large things made a lovely sound stage.

The friend built his system around wanting to be able to hear his Grateful Dead concert tapes at concert levels, and the system can go that. There are great bass notes from a version of "Morning Dew" from the Berkeley Greek that were some of the cleanest sounding and real world loud I have ever encountered. It opened my eyes to how great some of those field recordings of the Dead can be.

They just didn't draw any attention to themselves as doing anything wrong.

We also played "Behind Blue Eyes" from Who's Next and it was the 'best' I have ever heard that some. I obviously have no measurement to go on, and was not in the studio to be able to compare how true they were to the studio monitor sound, but I didn't care. I was surprised how the system could present that song in a way that struck me as more pleasing than every other time I have heard it.

Then, he played some 'recent' LZ remaster set that was crazy dynamic and the speakers stayed out of the way and let LZ shake us around. Again, sometimes louder is hashier or things start to fall apart on many systems, this gave the impression of no effort and like it could do this all day. That's totally silly and not objective, but it was a distinct listening vibe.

We played Kind of Blue, Folk Singer (Muddy Waters,) and Beethoven's 6th. Hearing an orchestra that sounds full scale loud is a visceral experience.

So, the flaws in my approach: nothing measured, no instantaneous A/B/X with anything else, just from the standpoint of visiting someone and hearing their gear without knowing bit/sampling rate, or anything else. It was fun.

We drank a 1995 Peter Michael Mon Plaisir chardonnay which we also used only our senses to enjoy, and had some delicious snacks.

The preamp was an Ayre and the amp was a Parasound something. He had a computer and record player, too. The record player was a VPI with VPI arm, cartridge was that gold colored Dynavector...the Karat something. I forget what the DAC was, which is OK, they all sound and measure about the same, anyway.

If someone asks if you wanna go hear a pair, don't put your nose in the air and complain about their looks or price, just go see what it is that person put together for you to hear. (To paraphrase Groucho, sometimes take the cigar out of your mouth!)

Cheers.
 
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I recently heard them in someone's home.

We listened to music rather than test tones, but I can relay a solely subjective impression that, of course, is not valid, so not looking for trouble.

Things they did well...under sighted listening conditions...

Many speakers need to be played at a certain volume to give me a certain feeling of hearing what all is on a recording. These did amazing at low level listening. Right from the get go, the images were present and stable and all the parts of the music seemed well integrated together, and it stayed that way as the volume went up up up. There was no notable strain at higher volumes...the drivers seemed perfectly happy. (You know how some speakers at high volume start to convey a sense of compression, or you hear the distortion increase, and the tweeters lose their clarity? These didn't do that.)

Imaging was a very strong point in their favor - which is part of a good room set up, etc. So, given the opportunity, these large things made a lovely sound stage.

The friend built his system around wanting to be able to hear his Grateful Dead concert tapes at concert levels, and the system can go that. There are great bass notes from a version of "Morning Dew" from the Berkeley Greek that were some of the cleanest sounding and real world loud I have ever encountered. It opened my eyes to how great some of those field recordings of the Dead can be.

They just didn't draw any attention to themselves as doing anything wrong.

We also played "Behind Blue Eyes" from Who's Next and it was the 'best' I have ever heard that some. I obviously have no measurement to go on, and was not in the studio to be able to compare how true they were to the studio monitor sound, but I didn't care. I was surprised how the system could present that song in a way that struck me as more pleasing than every other time I have heard it.

Then, he played some 'recent' LZ remaster set that was crazy dynamic and the speakers stayed out of the way and let LZ shake us around. Again, sometimes louder is hashier or things start to fall apart on many systems, this gave the impression of no effort and like it could do this all day. That's totally silly and not objective, but it was a distinct listening vibe.

We played Kind of Blue, Folk Singer (Muddy Waters,) and Beethoven's 6th. Hearing an orchestra that sounds full scale loud is a visceral experience.

So, the flaws in my approach: nothing measured, no instantaneous A/B/X with anything else, just from the standpoint of visiting someone and hearing their gear without knowing bit/sampling rate, or anything else. It was fun.

We drank a 1995 Peter Michael Mon Plaisir chardonnay which we also used only our senses to enjoy, and had some delicious snacks.

The preamp was an Ayre and the amp was a Parasound something. He had a computer and record player, too. The record player was a VPI with VPI arm, cartridge was that gold colored Dynavector...the Karat something. I forget what the DAC was, which is OK, they all sound and measure about the same, anyway.

If someone asks if you wanna go hear a pair, don't put your nose in the air and complain about their looks or price, just go see what it is that person put together for you to hear. (To paraphrase Groucho, sometimes take the cigar out of your mouth!)

Cheers.
Thanks for the hot take. Great perspective on listening to systems and honesty reminds me staying objective is important.
 
What part of that was objective?
This "If someone asks if you wanna go hear a pair, don't put your nose in the air and complain about their looks or price, just go see what it is that person put together for you to hear." Putting preconceived notions aside is generally always a good thing to go in with an open mind at least.

Saying something is awful because it doesn't measure well without hearing it, is just as bad as saying something is perfect because it measures well without hearing it. Or going based on looks. 100% objectivity isnt really achievable. Like I said measurements for me are the starting point.
 
This "If someone asks if you wanna go hear a pair, don't put your nose in the air and complain about their looks or price, just go see what it is that person put together for you to hear." Putting preconceived notions aside is generally always a good thing to go in with an open mind at least.

Saying something is awful because it doesn't measure well without hearing it, is just as bad as saying something is perfect because it measures well without hearing it. Or going based on looks. 100% objectivity isnt really achievable. Like I said measurements for me are the starting point.
This is terrible advice. Awful measurements are a decisive starting point. There’s no non-measurable quality that can redeem it. It is perfectly reasonable to say a component, speaker included, is awful when the measurements are awful. That’s what the measurements are for.
 
This is terrible advice. Awful measurements are a decisive starting point. There’s no non-measurable quality that can redeem it. It is perfectly reasonable to say a component, speaker included, is awful when the measurements are awful. That’s what the measurements are for.
I agree with you measurements are the starting point. He isn't saying buy the speakers that measure terribly sight unseen. He is just saying check out everything if you have the time and are interested. I don't see how at least checking out a poor speaker that costs too much wouldn't be a learning experience.
 
I agree with you measurements are the starting point. He isn't saying buy the speakers that measure terribly sight unseen. He is just saying check out everything if you have the time and are interested. I don't see how at least checking out a poor speaker that costs too much wouldn't be a learning experience.
Seems like the goalposts have moved. Listening to something you already know is bad is a waste of time, but “if you have the time and are interested”…I guess.
 
Just read through the thread and I wondered what was Stereophile 2022 speaker of the year?
So what about either of these 2 speakers changed ?
Different people voting?
The KEF Blade Two Meta—which is affordable for a world-class loudspeaker, at $28,000/pair—received two votes more than the second-place finisher, the much more expensive Wilson Alexx V.
Edit : Different Wilson. :facepalm:
 
Seems like the goalposts have moved. Listening to something you already know is bad is a waste of time, but “if you have the time and are interested”…I guess.
There are plenty of speakers that measure poorly and people love them. ATC, Harbeth, lots of others. It's up to the person to decide. This is my take I am not telling anyone they have to go do it, or moving goalposts. The rancor on this forum is W I L D.
 
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Poor measuring highly reviewed high price speakers seem to be a thing. This graph from Stereophile review of Radho 3 something earlier this year. I think reviewers get seduced by lots of air moving in the lower registers.
 
Seems like the goalposts have moved. Listening to something you already know is bad is a waste of time, but “if you have the time and are interested”…I guess.
LOL!

You only listen to things that aren’t a ‘waste of time.’ :rolleyes:

You would just put your nose up in the air and refuse the visit.

Seriously, astounding and self congratulatory!
 
There are plenty of speakers that measure poorly and people love them. ATC, Harbeth, lots of others. It's up to the person to decide. This is my take I am not telling anyone they have to go do it, or moving goalposts. The rancor on this forum is W I L D.
Yeah, and there are power cables and magic stones to put on your streamer that do absolutely nothing and people love them. I doubt many here have any problem with people spending their money on stuff that makes them happy. But people also know that with proper preconceptions and when listening sighted anything can sound great, there is nothing of interest to discuss there. "Dude I know listened to this speaker in some other dudes home in some listening conditions with some music with some beverages and he said he had good time, what do you guys think about the speaker?"

There is no rancor here. You just don't get or don't want to get what is being said to you and your defense mechanism is the same thing the "real audiophiles" have been using for the couple of decades I've been in these discussions: "these people are just so mean, prejudiced and probably envious of these expensive gadgets". I don't like what I'm being told so the people saying it are this and that. Ok, go with that and let it go.
 
Yeah, and there are power cables and magic stones to put on your streamer that do absolutely nothing and people love them. I doubt many here have any problem with people spending their money on stuff that makes them happy. But people also know that with proper preconceptions and when listening sighted anything can sound great, there is nothing of interest to discuss there. "Dude I know listened to this speaker in some other dudes home in some listening conditions with some music with some beverages and he said he had good time, what do you guys think about the speaker?"

There is no rancor here. You just don't get or don't want to get what is being said to you and your defense mechanism is the same thing the "real audiophiles" have been using for the couple of decades I've been in these discussions: "these people are just so mean, prejudiced and probably envious of these expensive gadgets". I don't like what I'm being told so the people saying it are this and that. Ok, go with that and let it go.
With respect, speakers that actually sound different and magic stones are two entirely different things.

Remember, the science does allow us to prefer different speakers, and different listening curves when we EQ, and different sounding electronics to boot.

If the science ever does come up with the results that some magic stones actually change the sound, then we have to start considering them also. (They'll have to be different magic stones to the ones that are around at the moment :)).

If you do use different sounding equipment, there certainly appear to be extra problems awaiting in their use, and we can still use science, measurements and controlled testing with them to get the best sound, or the most preferred.

The hardcore objectivist approach still only gets us to what we prefer in controlled testing. Sure, that's a leap forwards over the subjectivist pure guesswork approach, but I guess even you sit in front of your system and see it, and know of every change you make, when listening. Pride comes before a subjective listening preference gets you, me, or anyone else who starts to think otherwise.

Our approach should not only be about what someone is listening to, but how they got there. And of course for newcomers and people who have not used the approach of starting with well measuring equipment at reasonable price and proper setup - we can recommend it as a way to get to a good sounding system.
 
LOL!

You only listen to things that aren’t a ‘waste of time.’ :rolleyes:

You would just put your nose up in the air and refuse the visit.

Seriously, astounding and self congratulatory!
Measurements are useful for sorting the wheat from the chaff, but audio is ultimately subjective so go and listen to everything.
Keith
 
What’s best with the Stereophile products of the year is that we are all forced to discuss the purpose of audio gear, namely allowing us to enjoy music. And to enjoy music you really don’t need perfection. Sometimes slight imperfections don’t have that much impact on our ability to listen and enjoy. I would guess that with the Wilson speaker what it does well somewhat outweighs its weak parts. Just like a perfectly measured bookshelf simply sucks in the lower registers it may still be a wonderful speaker. So thank you Stereophile for choosing equipment based on enjoyment rather than graphs!
 
Really you are thanking them for celebrating poor engineering!
Keith
 
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