Not enforced but still a criminal offence.
I mean this is a country where you can in theory still get five years in prison for possession of cannabis, but it's now common to see people smoking it while walking down the street.
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will CDs eventually become obsolete due to no CD transports surviving?
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I mean this is a country where you can in theory still get five years in prison for possession of cannabis, but it's now common to see people smoking it while walking down the street.
The "Mom n Pop"** stores though are one of the things the vinyl renaissance is ...er.... renaissanceing.
At least round where I am, here in the UK.
**or whatever the UK equivalent is
Not so. Copying for backup or format shifting is allowed:
You might be thinking of the laws against TPM (technological protection measures) circumvention. - which criminalises the circumvention of copy protection. But CD's don't have any such protection, so are fair game for format shifting.
Further - copyright violations for personal use have only ever been civil offences. You could be sued, but not prosecuted. This is not the case for TPM violations - which are criminal offences.
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My oldest CDs date back to the launch of this medium in 1983 and they are still impeccable... The lifespan of a properly stored CD is certainly greater than 40 years, the proof is in place. CDs, on the other hand, do not like humid tropical climates: in an apartment and a house in Rio de Janeiro facing the sea, the pressed label part detaches from the polycarbonate and sometimes a milky veil invades the pressed side at the end of a few short years.
The only unreadable CDs are those which have been affected by the outgassing of printing inks which has affected their pressed layer. Deutsche Grammophon, Hyperion, APR, Nimbus CDs were very quickly affected by this known problem.
Burned CD-Rs and Audio CD-Rs have a very uncertain lifespan. I lost dozens of them obtained from the radio... before I systematically extracted them to a file...
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Correct.
I used Apple Lossless and copied a little more than... 10,000 CDs with iTunes and DbPower amp. So I gave up on Flac. But I studied the Taggs problems beforehand and very quickly did them as cleanly as possible: and in classical music it's very complicated... But iTunes has a fabulous function; predictive writing: once you have entered a surname in one way: it automatically suggests it... Which avoids having five different Tchaikovskys, three Rachmaninovs, etc.
I asked iTunes to classify them itself on the hard drive and it therefore classified them in folders with a simple tree structure: a general folder, contains folders classified in alphabetical order by the name of the performer album and each main performer folder sorts the discs alphabetically by title. Another folder contains the compilations listed in alphabetical order.
After that, all software (Itunes, Jriver, Foobar, Audirvana, Roon...) displays the ripped discs with their cover...
Galliardist
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Someone needs to tell the government....
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The law in France allows copies to be made for private use within the extended family circle (in its wisdom, the legislator admitted that contemporary lifestyles were no longer the same as during the first law of 1957, setting the framework of private copying).
And for at least 30 years, a tax has been levied on all media allowing the copying of music or images (including photocopiers)...
This French law is “an exception to the author’s exclusive rights.”
Note that when you buy a CD you only buy a piece of polycarbonate and not the work and the interpretation it contains: you only buy the right to enjoy this work within the framework defined by the law which therefore authorizes by exception private copying
The performers and producers of a record are only protected in France and Europe for 70 years after the end of the year following the first making of the record available to the public. The law changed in 2014, which means that all records published until 1963 are today free of the rights of the performer and the producer because before 2014 the protection lasted 50 years: we say here that they are in the public domain. The protection of the composer and the author of the lyrics begins on the day of the death of the composer or writer. This means that record companies and performers no longer receive money from their records when they are freely republished by others, but the composer and author of the lyrics continue to receive money from the new publisher. ..
beagleman
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I think it varies HUGELY by where one lives.
I live in a much more small town area, and records are "Collected" by older guys like me, (50-70 years old) and I literally know of not ONE younger person that owns any records. Really no CDs either.
In big city areas, I think records are more of a "Fad" or a thing, but rural and small towns they simply (records and CD) are seen as "Old" media that is not used anymore.
Yes I am sure there could be some that own it, but overall its simply not a thing.
Local libraries often sell donated CDs and vinyl, for literally a DOLLAR each, and MOST of it tends to sit there most of the week, not much demand.
DanielT
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The supply of CDs at flea markets has really gotten worse in recent years. It is now abysmal. At least at the flea markets I've visited in the last year. Nowadays there is a total lack of older CDs that have not been exposed to the loudness war. All that's left is Absolute Music collection CDs and some other junk that nobody wants. People have more or less stopped submitting CDs to flea markets, say those who run them. Vinyl records are another matter, however. They exist, at increasingly higher prices.
So that's it for me anyway. I don't know if it is possible to generalize my experiences? The qualitative and quantitative supply of used CDs maybe differs a lot from country to country? Maybe it even differs a lot between different regions within a country?
So if the choice is between buying newly released CDs at full price or streaming music, the choice is very simple for me. CDs became obsolete due to the non-existent supply of used GOOD/INTERESTING CDs.
So that's it for me anyway. I don't know if it is possible to generalize my experiences? The qualitative and quantitative supply of used CDs maybe differs a lot from country to country? Maybe it even differs a lot between different regions within a country?
So if the choice is between buying newly released CDs at full price or streaming music, the choice is very simple for me. CDs became obsolete due to the non-existent supply of used GOOD/INTERESTING CDs.
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I was talking to the owner of a local shop who has been in business for 20+ years. He said there has been a big decline in CDs/vinyl dropped off in the last two years, but he suspects that it's just a correction from the pandemic: when the pandemic was raging he had large collections dropped off daily, from the deceased or people laid off and needing either money or making room to relocate to smaller housing.The supply of CDs at flea markets has really gotten worse in recent years. It is now abysmal. At least at the flea markets I've visited in the last year. Nowadays there is a total lack of older CDs that have not been exposed to the loudness war. All that's left is Absolute Music collection CDs and some other junk that nobody wants. People have more or less stopped submitting CDs to flea markets, say those who run them. Vinyl records are another matter, however. They exist, at increasingly higher prices.
So that's it for me anyway. I don't know if it is possible to generalize my experiences. The qualitative and quantitative supply of used CDs maybe differs a lot from country to country? Maybe it even differs a lot between different regions within a country?
So if the choice is between buying newly released CDs at full price or streaming music, the choice is very simple for me. CDs became obsolete due to the non-existent supply of used GOOD/INTERESTING CDs.
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IMO it really does vary a lot. We now (post-retirement) travel in the US a lot and there a number of record stores that have extensive CD sections - some even have a large cassette section! Usually though these stores have things at more "boutique" price levels - you are essentially paying more (e.g., $5-7 range for "desirable" CDs or cassettes) for their curation/selection process etc. Since I'm buying less physical media these days, and since it's not ideal to take vinyl along on a multi-week car trip, I don't buy much from these places, but occasionally I find something. Recently bought the last album of Muddy Waters, for instance, at a little shop in Ohio.
There was an amazing store in Rapid City, for instance. Unexpected, huge inventory of all media, high curation. With prices to match. But it was impressive.
The one thing I do often find in road trip thrifts are good classical CDs - I only buy to fill holes in my collection - and only top recordings from top contemporary performances on Sony Classical, Angel, Harmonium etc. Usually these are priced at $1-2 in thrifts.
There was an amazing store in Rapid City, for instance. Unexpected, huge inventory of all media, high curation. With prices to match. But it was impressive.
The one thing I do often find in road trip thrifts are good classical CDs - I only buy to fill holes in my collection - and only top recordings from top contemporary performances on Sony Classical, Angel, Harmonium etc. Usually these are priced at $1-2 in thrifts.
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It seems to me that my liveliest local seller of music in any physical format, is also the one which has created the best "vibe". And extends to the sidewalk, thanks to a bargain/free bin placed there, along with music piped from the store, and large display window filled with new albums. Big-box stores? Dead by comparison.
Like most any other fad, the youngun's are always the most easily hooked on a trend.
5 years from now they'll all have moved on to the next latest craze.
I agree but we don't necessarily need hard media for that.
Personally I prefer to just buy a download which the label can include a jpg, pdf, or whatever with no printing costs
or carbon footprint for its duplication. During playback I can go as far as viewing-reading the included files on something
as large as my 85" Samsung if I desire.
Maybe, but I think just as my generation (late Boomer) had an attraction to physical media manifestations, that's a desire that recurs. My Spotify library certainly does not give me the same feeling as my LPs or CDs acquired over decades.
And as many have noted here already, there is a slow/deliberate aspect to playing a record album on a turntable. It can be a different experience than streaming, for sure. Especially if you have a manual turntable - you can't just walk away and forget it!
Completely agree. My workflow when I rip new CDs also includes scanning the "album art" into a PDF. It is quite a bit of work, but totally worth it, especially for jazz and classical. I use a tablet to control music, and I can read the notes easily.
Robin L
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I got an account on Tidal today, but I'm still getting stuttering while playing music. Still trying to figure out what to do about that. And that's a reason why I'm still attached to CDs, which obviously don't suffer from latency issues.
Very true, but something you PAY for it in drastically increased costs, decreased sound quality, and a very high inconvenience factor.
Your choice, not mine.
I use streaming strictly for checking out new music. I want a choice of the best release, mix, etc.
All my normal focused listening comes from my computer that was sourced from the best available on CD, DVD, BluRay, or download.
In 2, 4, 5.1 and immersive formats.
What kind of download speed do you get from your ISP?
There's no reason for your trouble with Tidal unless their servers are overloaded?
