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you know I'm not 10-12 years old....
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'ASR actors'? I appreciate there is often a bit of a language barrier when interpreting your posts, but you seem to be implying and that the work done by @amirm , @VintageFlanker is of less value than that done by Onlyoneme or that they have less technical understanding/knowledge than Onlyoneme?
Plus, the measurements put forward by Onlyoneme are by no means 'exhaustive', they are quite focussed on particular areas of interest to Onlyoneme. So a more comprehensive review, Inc headphone output measurements for example, would surely be welcome?
I have mine set to 2V and set max volume to 90%.
Seems to align with recommended input to amp I’m using. (1.8V) assuming it’s doing what I think it’s doing.
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No need to assume if you have a basic multimeter laying around somewhere.
Measuring output voltage is really straightforward.
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I’ll write that down.
Actually, it’s nothing to do with any language barrier. At all.
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just that what he has produced so far was done with modest means (same kind as "vintage") with rigor and often the addition of original measures or approaches ( scoped num output or see comparisons under pkane delta or nid tests etc. )...
with phono or headphones will be more delicate for him but above all I think he is fed up... on the other hand until now his measurements have never been taken at fault and always confirmed afterwards....that's all... and there it is not a good sign for the ultra (had already been the case for the pro plus in first batch and on the amp with a need for "discreet" recall... if you want to see an idolatry of the onlyoneme....your problem..not mine...
hihi
It doesn't seem to me that he sought to become an "internet actor", "influencer", etc. Besides, he hardly gives any opinions or conclusions... and that is often criticized... many want grades or rankings...
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let's wait for other people's measurements...and forget all that ;-)
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Just as a general point, and no disrespect to anyone else, but Amir is a professional rather than a hobbyist, with professional kit, rather than hobbyist kit.
He also presents his results in a very user-friendly format, rather than what looks like (to me) the approach of some others, which appears to be to wilfully bombard people with a mountain of ill-explained (or not explained at all) data, some of which appears to have little relevance, and in a manner which has the appearance of saying “Look how clever I am, plebs!”
Coupled with a tendency to answer any question with the tone of “If you need to ask that, I don’t need to bother myself with you.”
It’s quite unpleasant, and leaves a bad taste in the mouth, especially when we’re at public forums, and our raison d'etre is to help each other, which includes communicating as clearly and politely as possible.
One of the many reasons I like Amir and most posters here at ASR.
He also presents his results in a very user-friendly format, rather than what looks like (to me) the approach of some others, which appears to be to wilfully bombard people with a mountain of ill-explained (or not explained at all) data, some of which appears to have little relevance, and in a manner which has the appearance of saying “Look how clever I am, plebs!”
Coupled with a tendency to answer any question with the tone of “If you need to ask that, I don’t need to bother myself with you.”
It’s quite unpleasant, and leaves a bad taste in the mouth, especially when we’re at public forums, and our raison d'etre is to help each other, which includes communicating as clearly and politely as possible.
One of the many reasons I like Amir and most posters here at ASR.
I think the respect you have for Onlyoneme is commendable, what is not is your disrespectful attitude towards the tireless work Amir (and others) have put forward on this site.
Amir, as far as I can tell, has no wish to be an 'influencer' or whatever, he just puts in an immense amount of effort in his free time to help the audio community. I think you should have a little more respect in that case.
Yes, I know.
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you are completely wrong about what I would think of armim... on the other hand, not considering him as a market player or an influencer would amount to not considering what he does or the impact of what he does :-0
Post in thread 'WiiM Ultra' https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/wiim-ultra.50897/post-2055847
""Unfortunately, that agenda is so strong, whilst I’d never say his results were deliberately inaccurate, I just don’t feel I can 100% trust them."""
I am reacting mainly to this (especially since you seem to be particularly hurt in your pride) because for the moment, his observations to onlyoneme , over the last two years, have always been found to be relevant... that's a fact... so what is happening on the ultra side until proven otherwise is rather annoying... bring on the contradictory aspect..
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You are maybe confusing me with @Yorkshire Mouth ?
My pride is not hurt in any way, why would it be?
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yes for yorkshire mouth-steve woodhouse ;-)
given what is observed by onlyoneme on the ultra...it's really a shame that other standard measurements, from other sources, are late...
Well we are 2 different people, after all, so reply to his posts if that is who you are addressing.
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yes yes bad manipulation I should have done some...the beginning of the message for you..the second part for him... sorry...
Ok, so you start off by replying to Steve's post (saying he is patiently waiting for Amir's review) implying we have Onlyoneme's measurements, so there is no need. Then when it's pointed out Onlyoneme's measurements are not complete, or indeed an actual review, you explain why (it is time consuming, I get that).
So why even comment? You know why people want Amir/Vintageflanker to review/measure the Ultra, yet you still insist on criticising these reviews for being somehow 'dumbed down' simply because they are presented in a much more accessible way than Onlyoneme's measurements.
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I'm not criticizing, I'm even looking forward to them arriving...
I'm just noting that the only available measures, from onelyoneme for the moment, for the ultra seem not to make people react or be understood... even if incomplete on certain points... what they point out is quite edifying...
The sub output is restricted in so far as it is mono and outputs only signals below the crossover frequency chosen. It is affected by the volume control, unless you choose fixed volume in the audio settings.
I did ask you previously, but I'll try again.
Treat me as if I know nothing about audio playback (I don't know a lot, so it's not much of a stretch lol) and explain, in simple terms, what exactly are the issues with the Ultra.
I know you understand the measurements well, so it would be a big help if you could point out some of the bigger issues for the members here, who may not be members of the Wiim forum, or members of both who simply don't seem to grasp the severity of these issues.
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end for me... you will see that with the reviews - measurements, future....
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