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WiiM Ultra with 2 FOSI V3 MONO or an AB amplifier ?

thank you, I did not realise that audiophonics made their own amps with Hypex modules. This might be a better choic than the 3E
 
If you don't need the extra flexibility of Wiim Ultra as separate preamp,

the Wiim Amp Ultra is a clean and powerful all in one
 
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Just as an amp. Like the a7, just class AB and a
The Fosi V3 Mono should be very clean and free of distortion, right? That’s at least what the measurements and graphs on this forum suggest. However, when I listen at higher volumes, even though my speakers are quite easy to drive (92 dB), the sound becomes fatiguing. All the “S” sounds and dense electronic music elements start to irritate my ears after a moment.
When I connected a Purifi amplifier for comparison, this issue didn’t occur. I could listen at very high volumes and there was no such effect.
The graphs indicate that nothing should be audible in either the Fosi V3 Mono or the Purifi amplifiers, but in practice, the difference is clearly noticeable.
It could be a plethora other things though. I don't think these power amps would do that within their normal operating range. First thing coming to mind is a little too much into the line-in.
 
thank you, I did not realise that audiophonics made their own amps with Hypex modules. This might be a better choic than the 3E
Better is relative. Do you need more power than 2x250w - then you need something bigger than WiiM amp Ultra, 3e A5 or A7, WiiM Vibelink, WiiM amp etc. and even bigger than the Hypex 2x250w builds they offer. I'd suggest thinking about how much you really need. More is almost always better of course, but it'll cost significantly and makes for a bigger unit, bigger psu, etc.

The Hypex builds from audiophonics start at a higher price than these other amps mentioned, Purifi costs a bit more. Those are different platforms than the TPA32xx builds. If you look at reviews you'll see that they usually measure better. But that does not mean that it will translate to anything for you what the TPA32xx amps like the 3e wouldn't also do. Your speakers are the main factor about what you hear. Unless they are very good, pretty big and/or hard to drive and you are an advanced listener I don't think you will hear a difference with these amps. If your speakers are demanding and you like to turn them up, you want enough power to stay away from distortion and clipping - that is something that would actually degrade your sound.

Your speakers should also have a rating saying something like 40-250w (my floorstanders f.e.), 4 ohm and efficiency.
 
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It could be a plethora other things though. I don't think these power amps would do that within their normal operating range. First thing coming to mind is a little too much into the line-in.

My gear is Wiim Ultra -> Dx7 Pro DAC (XLR) -> Fosi v3 mono / Purifi amp

So the only difference is amp and their input impedances. However, there shouldn't be a problem in theory.
 
My gear is Wiim Ultra -> Dx7 Pro DAC (XLR) -> Fosi v3 mono / Purifi amp

So the only difference is amp and their input impedances. However, there shouldn't be a problem in theory.
I don't know that DAC nor your Purifi amp. But I would try to take it out of the chain just to see if something changes for the Fosi amps. The Ultra puts out 2V max. and is adjustable in the app.

Would be a real headscratcher if the problem persists. Unless it is somehow the speakers not being good with the Fosis. But that doesn't sound right.
 
like this ?

I have a pre-built Nilai from Audiophonics and am very happy with it.
Given the reasonably higher price vs. DIY, for me the pre-built version was a clear choice.
 
Just as an amp. Like the a7, just class AB and a

It could be a plethora other things though. I don't think these power amps would do that within their normal operating range. First thing coming to mind is a little too much into the line-in.
Thank you Ruediger. Could you explain : First thing coming to mind is a little too much into the line-in.
 
gain matching

The source outputting a higher voltage than the amp's input is designed for, driving it to clipping distortion
 
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The good thing about an integrated amplifier is that it already is leveled inside regarding gain. Sometimes I've experienced issues with noise and a growling sound from the speaker when not properly matching a pre and power amp. Some of the little class D amplifiers seemed more prone to weird artifacts, growl, hiss and hum, when used with my pre-amp... Which is not present with my AB's.
My guess is that gain might amplify things not heard with my AB's which are 22dB gain but 350W into 4 ohms.
To put it even more simply. You mostly save physical space with class D. They dont save much power in praxis. So if you already have a good AB... Don't buy something new for kicks... Since sound won't make much or any difference anyway.
I have blind tested this countless times with friends, and unless we are talking complex loads, which most types of badly designed amplifier would struggle with anyway - regardless of class - then sound won't change much at all.
But, always be aware that if you intend to EQ in bass, then you run out of power very quickly... Very quickly.
 
The good thing about an integrated amplifier is that it already is leveled inside regarding gain. Sometimes I've experienced issues with noise and a growling sound from the speaker when not properly matching a pre and power amp. Some of the little class D amplifiers seemed more prone to weird artifacts, growl, hiss and hum, when used with my pre-amp... Which is not present with my AB's.
My guess is that gain might amplify things not heard with my AB's which are 22dB gain but 350W into 4 ohms.
To put it even more simply. You mostly save physical space with class D. They dont save much power in praxis. So if you already have a good AB... Don't buy something new for kicks... Since sound won't make much or any difference anyway.
I have blind tested this countless times with friends, and unless we are talking complex loads, which most types of badly designed amplifier would struggle with anyway - regardless of class - then sound won't change much at all.
But, always be aware that if you intend to EQ in bass, then you run out of power very quickly... Very quickly.
Thank you Digital Thor.

You make me hesitate on my journey
starting from Fosi to 3E
and yesterday I discovered that
Audiophonics sell Ncore with Hypex (I thought Hypex only came for DIY).
Hypex seems to be the cream of the cream at least on this website.
Now, will I hear a real difference between much less expensive
Fosi and Ncore Hypex, I do not know.

But you recommend I simply go for an AB ?

Today I have no amplifier at all.

Oh well, I tried Alientek 5 years ago, gathering dust in a closet,
so lets say I have nothing.

What I am running after is the WiiM
because almost everyone seems to rave about this thing !

Sometimes I feel like going backwards, and just buy a used integrated AB Amp,
a good used CD player and forget about all the fuss, stay as simple as possible.

BUT ! perhaps this is a bit radical, so much more music available with streaming.

For me, not a very technical advanced man,
the WiiM seems like a good start
but perhaps it is a misunderstanding ?

I will eventually learn the REW to be able to share with you
my vintage speakers I bought for 300€,
my DIY Line Array a friend of mine sold me for 70€ and
a soon a DIY open baffle Lii Audio F15.
Lots to play with.

I will not use the PC as a streamer,
this is way to complicated for me.
With my Alientek five years ago I had a setup with
RME Digiface USB, way to complicated.


I have absolutely no problem with space,
I am lucky to have a room for music.
The ceiling is 3 meters (10 feet) high
and a surface of 4.5x6 meters (15 x 20 feet)

I would like a flexible system to test
for example a tube amp and so on.

So I came down to this bundle of
WiiM Ultra
with since yesterday the
AUDIOPHONICS AP300-S125NC Class D
Stereo Amp Ncore Hypex NC122MP 2x125W 4 Ohm.

If I do not go this way, since there seems to
be quite a bit of problems with the class D
as some of you testify
although many of you also say that this is lots of nonsense

but still, and I hear no problems at all with AB amps ???

I could also choose to
buy a streamer, a DAC and an AB Amp
either from AudioPhonics or
something like a used Yamaha Yamaha A-S701
or the great looking Rotel RB 1070

but looks is not the most important
although it is always nice to have nice looking gears.

The WiiM lets me have an easy to use setup with corrections,
but I will on the long run undestand nothing.

The option to the WiiM seems to be from what I understand,
the DIRAC. Only wonder if I can learn to use it ?

If I can learn Dirac and REW, then I am in a more free world
the with the automatic WiiM.

Thank you.




 
And buying used gear, I kind of like this since there is no money lost,
or very little, when selling and changing to a different setup.
 
I think WiiM will fit your needs very good.

The 300 € vintage speakers could run out of talent fast. No matter which of the amps you chose.
 
thank you Ruediger, and yes, probably you are right.

What about my evolution from Fosi, 3E, to
AUDIOPHONICS AP300-S125NC Class D
Stereo Amp Ncore Hypex NC122MP 2x125W 4 Ohm.

in terms of sound quality ?
 
Best for sound quality, as long as you gwt a good/ normal amp wiil be the room correction from Wiim + FLAC source music.
 
hmmmmm , thank you overseas, you might have made my wife happy spending less on hifi gears
and I just read the review here on the fosi V3 mono, so perhaps the Hypex is not such a big deal after all....
 
The case with internal psu would be worth something to me. Also the amp itself over the other choices.
 
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