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WiiM Ultra Streamer Preamp Review

Rate this streamer/DAC/Preamp:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 7 1.2%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 47 8.2%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 209 36.4%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 311 54.2%

  • Total voters
    574
My setup with the WiiM Ultra, Topping E50 II DAC and Cymax stereo power amplifier with Purifi 1ET6525SA Class D-modules that work very well. I have set the filter to no. 6 in the Topping E50 II since I imagine (could be pure psychoacoustics) some less sibilants from compressed audio via streaming services like Netflix.
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Why wouldn't you want to use RoomFit to further improve the quality of your system in your room? Forget about "bit perfect".

You're using the (excellent) digital volume control of the WiiM Ultra. => No longer bit perfect anyway.

You're using the volume limiter at 95% to safely avoid inter sample clipping. => No longer bit perfect anyway.
 
Why wouldn't you want to use RoomFit to further improve the quality of your system in your room? Forget about "bit perfect".

You're using the (excellent) digital volume control of the WiiM Ultra. => No longer bit perfect anyway.

You're using the volume limiter at 95% to safely avoid inter sample clipping. => No longer bit perfect anyway.

Exactly - Bit perfection is a vastly over-rated concept. I've even put it in my sig :-)

Room EQ improves the sound. It doesn't degrade it in any way (when correctly implemented)
 
My setup with the WiiM Ultra, Topping E50 II DAC and Cymax stereo power amplifier with Purifi 1ET6525SA
Do you hear any Difference between the implemented DAC in WiiM Ultra and the Topping E50?
 
Do you hear any Difference between the implemented DAC in WiiM Ultra and the Topping E50?
Hard to say other than my perception that the so called AKM implemented "Velvet Sound" make sibilants a tad less apparent. Main advantage is the higher output level at 11.3 Vrms being able to "feed" the Purifi-modules the needed level without using op amps for amplification.
 
Pretty cool device for the $, but I prefer my 23 year old DEQ2496 WRT PEQ and it's many, many other facilities.
In my opinion, this isn't about preferring one device over the other, because they are completely different devices with just a few overlapping features.
I own both and sometimes use them at the same time.

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Do you hear any Difference between the implemented DAC in WiiM Ultra and the Topping E50?
I think the D50 provides balanced out , why not use that to the power amps . If you already owns it why not .
And its slightly ( but inaudible ) better get some more dB snr at the amp when used balanced.

However I think your your right , I would think about my priorities about a new DAC to complement a WiiM Ultra I would just likely buy an rca to xlr cable ?
But you can get some inaudible dB sinad there :) fomo ?
 
Using another DAC on Wiim output as DDC for extra voltage or to change transport media change is fine.

Also to get better quality HPamp.

Otherwise Ultra DAC is excellent quality output, IMO won't hear an improvement
 
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I have a custom EQ preset provided by the manufacture that is installed on the device the speaker designer recommended for use with my speakers, a MiniDSP.
I would prefer to use only the DAC of the Wiim Ultra, the MiniDSP being the last in the chain before the preamp is altering the DAC output from the WiiM Ultra.
Is there a way to copy or recreate the same exact EQ settings on my WiiM Ultra so I can remove the MiniDSP from my setup?
 
I have a custom EQ preset provided by the manufacture that is installed on the device the speaker designer recommended for use with my speakers, a MiniDSP.
I would prefer to use only the DAC of the Wiim Ultra, the MiniDSP being the last in the chain before the preamp is altering the DAC output from the WiiM Ultra.
Is there a way to copy or recreate the same exact EQ settings on my WiiM Ultra so I can remove the MiniDSP from my setup?
There's currently no import feature for EQ settings, but you can recreate the EQ manually.

So far PEQ is limited to:
  • Up to 10 bands of PEQ filters
  • Filter types: peak, low shelf, high shelf, low pass, high pass
  • Freely selectable center frequency between 10 Hz and 22 kHz
  • Minimum/maximum gain per filter: +/-12 dB
  • Minimum/maximum Q per filter: 0.1/24

Multiple EQ profiles can be saved. Different EQ profiles can be assigned to different inputs, if required. There's also a GEQ feature, but this is not what you want.

EQ comes on top of the EQ used by the room correction system RoomFit.
 
Well, after some testing and gain level matching I have also removed the Topping E50 II external DAC and gone back to the internal ESS ES9038Q2M with Brick Wall filter in the WiiM Ultra. Using EQ at 1 kHz with +1.5dB for my Wharfedale Lintons. The Lintons need that little extra boost especially for snare drums. Pregain set to -4.5dB to prevent ISP and EQ-clipping. Gain setting for my Purifi 1ET6525SA power amp set to max at 29.3dB. It has a buffer board with an independent power supply and dual OPA828 op-amps. I must admit that I can't heard any difference with this combination through RCA compared to the Topping via XLR with 11.3 Vrms high output level and the amplifier gain set at the default Purfi level at 12.3dB with bypassed op-amps. I guess both solutions have so low THD and SNR that it doesn't matter for our human ears.
 
Latest Wiim firmware means Spotify lossless only works through Spotify connect.
Not through Wiim app.
 
Latest Wiim firmware means Spotify lossless only works through Spotify connect.
Not through Wiim app.
Reading the latest firmware notes, I see WiiM have implemented "Spotify Smart Play" viz. https://faq.wiimhome.com/en/support...mart-play-resume-spotify-on-wiim-with-a-press . Is that what you're referring to? If so and you find that it doesn't resume lossless playback, then it could well be a bug and should be reported to WiiM via the more/feedback section in the WiiM app.

Edit: a google search suggests that lossless playback should be supported by Spotify Tap/Smart Play is used: "When you use Spotify Tap on a supported speaker or headphone (like Bose, Sony, Samsung, Sennheiser), it will play in lossless quality if you have enabled the "Lossless" option in the Media Quality settings for that device.".
As suggested, raise a ticket to WiiM if it doesn't resume lossless playback if you have enabled lossless for the Ultra in the Spotify app. Also, it only works on a WiiM remote or the play button on your WiiM device, again not thru the WiiM app.
 
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What do these graphs mean?

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It means that if you can hear less than 0.01% distortion at 20,000 Hz which is 120 dB below the max signal level, then buy something else. There are other devices that measure better but I doubt anyone can hear an improvement. I know I can't so I value the Ultra's features and ease of use far more than more impressive but inaudible numbers. As they say, YMMV.
 
Hello

I just got my new Wiim ultra since a week.
I'm very please with it. Sound is very analytic bits its fine.

But Subwoofer Management: Integration can prove challenging. There is a noticeable gain disparity between the Sub out and the Main Line outs (Column speakers). Meticulous manual calibration is required to prevent the subwoofer from being either "buried" in the mix or, conversely, overbearing when switching between output voltage settings.

Note that I am replacing a Yamaha RX-V663 receiver with the WiiM Ultra, now feeding into a Technics SU-8077 integrated amplifier. Given that the Technics' input sensitivity is rated at 200mVrms, achieving a distortion-free setup is quite complex. This is especially true when trying to balance the WiiM's output with the subwoofer's independent gain level.
 
Hello

I just got my new Wiim ultra since a week.
I'm very please with it. Sound is very analytic bits its fine.

But Subwoofer Management: Integration can prove challenging. There is a noticeable gain disparity between the Sub out and the Main Line outs (Column speakers). Meticulous manual calibration is required to prevent the subwoofer from being either "buried" in the mix or, conversely, overbearing when switching between output voltage settings.

Note that I am replacing a Yamaha RX-V663 receiver with the WiiM Ultra, now feeding into a Technics SU-8077 integrated amplifier. Given that the Technics' input sensitivity is rated at 200mVrms, achieving a distortion-free setup is quite complex. This is especially true when trying to balance the WiiM's output with the subwoofer's independent gain level.
I also have run into this issue. Sub trim can only be adjusted in 1db intervals also. I do not think roomfit or sub/speaker sync level match sub to main line out. I ended up just doing frequency sweeps via REW and adjusted accordingly. Laptop connected to SMSL P0100 Pro --> WiiM Ultra
 
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