the only advantage that the WiiM Pro has over the Mini is that it has an ethernet port, chromecast, and also a PEQ, where as the Mini only has a GEQ?
Just want to say for those coming across this thread: the initial premise doesn't make a lot of sense. The DAC in both the mini & pro perform poorly. So either way a DAC is needed for a high fidelity setup. The biggest reason to get the Pro instead of the Mini is for ChromeCast and eventually Roon support, neither of which are planned for the mini. Also ethernet and digital input if you need those. And according to someone in this thread, the connections are sturdier in the Pro.
Not sure if this is an accurate statement. I purchased a WiiM Pro and a Node X and ended up returning the Node X. Per streaming I found really nothing really better via UI of the Node X vs the UI of the WiiM Pro. In addtion, I loved the sonic reproduction of the WiiM Pro connected to my AVR 850 via SPDIF sounded better than the Node X using the RCA analog outs into the Arcam AVR 850 direct inputs. This was bypassing the internal DAC within the AVR 850. It sounded very good being the Node X but I found that the Wiim more appealing to my ears. In addition I didn't need all the other features of the Node X.Almost any other streamer sounds better. I know they are cheap. But you get what you pay for.
Find a deal on a used Bluesound Node if budget is a concern.
First, Bluetooth and Airplay are quite different. Bluetooth communicates between two devices using a special low power radio. It always transmits compressed music. Airplay2 transmits over the local area network (LAN: either WiFi or ethernet) and can transmit uncompressed CD quality audio.This is about WIIM mini vs Pro but more perhaps a naive newbie question.
Can the WIIM pro stream any music or sound from my Apple desktop computer (2008 Mac mini) through the ethernet connection, and if so, would sound (music) be any better quality than streaming the same music from the same source using bluetooth/Airplay2?
So you could use the WiiM and stream to it with Airplay instead of bluetooth, using either Wifi or ethernet.I generally stream music from my apple computer to my old Denon AVR receiver (AVR-687) using a relatively cheap Taotronics bluetooth receiver. it works fine, but drops bluetooth constantly and have to re-pair devices every couple of days if I don't use things for a few days.
Yes, yes, no. Well made audio amplifiers have been "transparent" for a long time. Unless you have some specific issue with it, your AVR is fne.So in general, if I got either of the WIIMs, would I get any better connectivity, would I get any better sound quality, or since the WIIMs would be hooked up to the old AVR-687, would that receiver limit any sound boost that the WIIMs might provide?
I think it's cheaper (and better) to use a dedicated streamer like the WiiM. That's the part that will get obsolete fastest - if it does you can just replace it. And WiiM seems much better at software support - something most conventional audio equipment companies are very weak at.And finally, I have been looking to perhaps get rid of the Denon AVR and just move to an integrated amp with some type of network or streaming capabilities--would like to stay under $1,000 if I go this route--have been looking at the Denon PMA900HNE and possibly the Cambridge CXA61 or 81. I am not wed to Denon and was first interested in maybe Marantz, but need A/B speaker capabilities which the Marantz's seem to lack.
My feelings regarding the node/node X is that IF you are not going to use eArc with a TV then the value of node really is not as good especially considering the internal dac quality of node (node X is supposedly better though).Not sure if this is an accurate statement. I purchased a WiiM Pro and a Node X and ended up returning the Node X. Per streaming I found really nothing really better via UI of the Node X vs the UI of the WiiM Pro. In addtion, I loved the sonic reproduction of the WiiM Pro connected to my AVR 850 via SPDIF sounded better than the Node X using the RCA analog outs into the Arcam AVR 850 direct inputs. This was bypassing the internal DAC within the AVR 850. It sounded very good being the Node X but I found that the Wiim more appealing to my ears. In addition I didn't need all the other features of the Node X.
Hi,Personally I would say it also depends on your amplifier as to how to match the dac and mini. For example I have the mini and rigged it up to my Denon PMA800NE directly via optical. The Denon has the Burr Brown PM5141 or at least I think so going on what is inside the PMA600NE but if anything it won’t be a lower chip than the BB PM5141. Now here’s the thing, the BB dac in the Denon, is imo, very good. A well rounded sound, full, detailed and balanced. The Mini has the BB PM5121 which could be one or two tiers lower than the Denon chip but they compliment each other during playback very well indeed and the Wiim Mini connected via QED optical directly into the Denon PMA800NE sounds excellent! No issues there at all.
Ok, now an exterior DAC, namely an Topping E50. I plugged the Mini into the Topping E50 and then analogue connection (RCA) to the PM800NE amp. The result was a mixed bag. I found the E50 less forgiving, slightly colder and or more hard in its delivery from the Mini through the Denon PM800NE, very revealing overall exposing shoddy recording which is great for critical listening but can be a little discomforting to the listener.
So I concluded at least for my setup that even the Topping E30 just might be a better budget choice (or the MK2 version) due to the AKM chipset which a more rounded sound than the ESS chipset used in the E50. Personally I would love the Topping E70v for this job but it’s way out of my budget but the AKM chipset will compliment the Mini very well. The iFi Zen v2 dac would also be a very good choice but lacks the optical input unless you buy the higher model which is over twice the price.
But yes, I believe any dac with AKM or Burr Brown chipsets would be better for the Wiim Mini, especially if you are using more detailed or brighter amplifier and want a more forgiving smoother sound. The ESS chipset might be a better choice for warmer amps like the Denon PMA600NE or something from Arcam etc but the balance for either should be an real point of consideration if you want to bring a degree of equilibrium to your over all sound
Cool, considering an SU1 at some point, sounds like a good match for class d in general.Hi,
I agree with you. I have the Wiim Mini, Topping E50 and SMSL SU-1. However I like the more clinical sounding of the E50 on lots of music, the SMSL with the AKM chip is way more musical with vocals and instruments, still with loads of details in the songs. Unfortunately I can't say anything about the Denon as I use a Cyrus amp.