Wiim announce WiiM Amp Ultra

[Power Pop 23]

So fare only page 2 out of 10

To get an equalizer for better adjustements after room correction

What is best ?

wiim amp pro

Wiim vibelink + streamer like a wiim pro (room correction ?)

or a wiim amp ultra ?

Difference in price is big, wiim amp pro compared to the 2 other options but you do get a display with the last option but according to reviews feels
very outdated (display) and a little small compared to an eversolo play (much more money than a wiim amp pro, for alot less then the price difference between a wiim amp pro and eversolo play you have the option of getting a tablet that can be an even bigger display than the one on a eversolo play)

WiiM Amp Pro if it can get as loud as you require, otherwise the WiiM Vibelink and WiiM Pro or Pro Plus

Personally, with my aged hearing, I opted for a 'non-PFFB' WiiM Amp instead of a WiiM Amp Pro

 

[somebodyelse]

They have the same EQ capabilities. The differences are in other areas.

 

[gasolin75]

My current speakers are around 85db sensitive and 4 ohm, according to reviews they don't go lower then 4 ohm

Only play medium loud, just shy of party level if i want to play loud

 

[Alexx]

I, but it's just a matter of personal preference, would go with the Wii Amp Ultra.

You get good power without the input constraints you get with the Wii Vibelink, which has 60 watts on RCA and 100 watts on optical.

It's an "all-in-one" system, so you avoid having two separate devices, and it also has the new remote.

At the very least, there's something to think about.

 

[gasolin75]

Wiim Vibelink has no streaming (not even bt for listen to net radio in the morning using my phone) = more money

Have heard it's more dynamic then the wimp amp ultra

Both are more expensive than a wim amp pro, for that amp i might look for at small tablet under 100 euros to have the software on it and act as bigger display than on the wiim amp ultra and a eversolo play (one have mention the eversolo play don't have enough power)

 

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This Wiim Ultra has everything it seems. Except its room correction requires an iphone not a measurement microphone. I think they want us to think it is a toy, but I suspect despute odd choices it is a really interesting product. It could rival minidsp with its Subwoofer output, something the Minidsp SHD is lacking. And I suspect Dirac is a hair more powerful than Wiims room correction. Although I heard Dirac paints with heavy strokes.
PS audio guy says on a 2-way the subwoofer might need room correction but above that it is usually not necessary. But I am certain I heard improvements in midrange as well, when I tried out Dirac. It is just a little more lively without room eq.

 

[Burnside]

Except its room correction requires an iphone not a measurement microphone.

It doesn’t require an iPhone, I’ve used WiiM room correction on an android phone with a calibrated Dayton imm-6c microphone.

I think they want us to think it is a toy,

I doubt that very much given the effort they’ve put in to it so far and continue to do.

 

[Power Pop 23]

This Wiim Ultra has everything it seems. Except its room correction requires an iphone not a measurement microphone. I think they want us to think it is a toy, but I suspect despute odd choices it is a really interesting product. It could rival minidsp with its Subwoofer output, something the Minidsp SHD is lacking. And I suspect Dirac is a hair more powerful than Wiims room correction. Although I heard Dirac paints with heavy strokes.
PS audio guy says on a 2-way the subwoofer might need room correction but above that it is usually not necessary. But I am certain I heard improvements in midrange as well, when I tried out Dirac. It is just a little more lively without room eq.

Using an iPhone to run room correction, I perceive my WiiM devices can come close to the sound profile generated by Dirac Live using a UMIK-1 microphone - and come even closer if I manually apply additional parametric EQ.

 

[staticV3]

This Wiim Ultra has everything it seems. Except its room correction requires an iphone not a measurement microphone.

Room correction runs on Android as well, and works with either the built-in mic or with an external measurement mic connected to the WiiM Home App via USB.

And if you don't like their algorithm, you can always measure externally, then copy the resulting PEQ parameters into the App.

 

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Room correction runs on Android as well, and works with either the built-in mic or with an external measurement mic connected to the WiiM Home App via USB.

And if you don't like their algorithm, you can always measure externally, then copy the resulting PEQ parameters into the App.

But does it have phase correction? No idea how I would fix that with PEQ.
Which external mic? I thought Minidsp Umic mic was bad enough. Are you saying there are worse?

 

[staticV3]

But does it have phase correction?

No phase correction, only PEQ and sub integration (with delay and phase switch).

Which external mic?

Which ever you want.

I thought Minidsp Umic mic was bad enough.

WDYM by bad enough?

Are you saying there are worse?

??

 

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No phase correction, only PEQ and sub integration (with delay and phase switch).


Which ever you want.


WDYM by bad enough?


??

Well, when it comes to measuring microphones the likes of Umik is like what Bose is to loudspeakers. The mic measures terribly, but then they fix it up later with some EQ in the file they include with it. And it works good in most cases.

I read the difference between Minidsp SHD and Flex was: "Two distinctions between the SHD and Flex that may be of interest is that the SHD runs Dirac Live at an internal 96 kHz sample rate whereas the Flex does so at 48 kH..."
I wonder what can be expected of the Wiim.

My current Gustard X16 Dac has the ES 9068, while the Wiim Ultra uses the ESS ES9038 Q2M. Seems like the biggest difference is MQA, and microphone support, but I never listen to MQA and not big on karaoke. I found the difference between MQA on Tidal versus PCM to be negliable. DSD512 on the other hand! But only as a fun experiment. There is no music in the DSD file format.

 

[kyuu]

Well, when it comes to measuring microphones the likes of Umik is like what Bose is to loudspeakers. The mic measures terribly, but then they fix it up later with some EQ in the file they include with it. And it works good in most cases.

What? Any mic to be used for measurements requires a calibration file. That's not something miniDSP invented for the UMIK. For room correction and general measurement purposes, the UMIK works more than fine.

I dunno what you mean with that weird Bose thing. Bose isn't known for using EQ to fix "bad" speakers. Active speakers use EQ to flatten their responses pretty much without exception, no matter what brand or price level you are looking at.

 

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What? Any mic to be used for measurements requires a calibration file. That's not something miniDSP invented for the UMIK. For room correction and general measurement purposes, the UMIK works more than fine.

I dunno what you mean with that weird Bose thing. Bose isn't known for using EQ to fix "bad" speakers. Active speakers use EQ to flatten their responses pretty much without exception, no matter what brand or price level you are looking at.

Looks like I would not care about the difference in quality of measurements microphones in general: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/the-great-waveguide-shootout.1475674/page-12#post-60878715
The difference is too small. I would get a bigger difference if I accidently move the mic stand 5cm to left between measurements.

 

[Petrushka]

I forget if I posted this here, but WIIM room correction has added multiple takes from multiple locations. Beta.

Seem to work well.

 

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I forget if I posted this here, but WIIM room correction has added multiple takes from multiple locations. Beta.

Seem to work well.

But is it as good as Dirac 2?

 

[gasolin75]

It doesn’t require an iPhone, I’ve used WiiM room correction on an android phone with a calibrated Dayton imm-6c microphone.

Did you use a calibration file of the mic ?

Difference phone and dayton mic ?

Usb or mini jack mic ?

 

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Did you use a calibration file of the mic ?

Difference phone and dayton mic ?

Usb or mini jack mic ?

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For some reason it is difficult to take such products seriously.

 

[Petrushka]

But is it as good as Dirac 2?

A feature that is close to free is unlikely to be state of the art.

What I can say is it agrees with HouseCurve about the points needing correction. I’m using an iPhone 12.
I cannot hear the top octave, but I can tell if voices are natural, and whether there’s an annoying resonance below 100 Hz.

My preferred test material is spoken words, recorded outdoors.

The first attempt at correction removed the DJ hump in the bass. If a voice sounds natural, music is likely to follow.

 

[gasolin75]

can't you set a custom curve and the software tries to do it like that