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Well, speed accuracy is measurable and controllable - albeit at a price.
You are absolutely correct! The turntables job is to have no sound! Achieving that, however , in a micromechanical system is a very hard and expensive task. So digitalistas can understand. You can buy a multifunction voltmeter for ten bucks. However if you wsnt a fancy precision oscilloscope its 20 thousand! A nother superb example is the 10's of millions that are necessary to make a very quiet submarine!One of the challenges of measuring a turntable on its own is determining its contribution to the output.
We know that (assuming the turntable is not significantly flawed, the tonearm is well designed and matches the cartridge compliance) almost all the boundaries of what is achievable are constrained by cartridge performance and mastering of the disk.
In a sense a turntable's job is not to mess up - by rumbling, wobbling or transferring motor or environmental noise to the tip of the needle.
Bravo! So is abscence of noise while operating!Well, speed accuracy is measurable and controllable - albeit at a price.
Why it's not worth it.Given the proliferation of turntables and phono cartridges. The dearth of independent testing is a sad sate of affairs....
I don’t *prefer* the sound quality of vinyl playback on turntables or make inaccurate claims about its magical superiority and absence of noise and other limitations. I *enjoy* it for many reasons — and it absolutely does “approach” the fidelity of digital. These “forget about fidelity if you listen to vinyl” posts make it seem like if you walk into a room where a well-pressed, well-mastered LP is playing on good gear, you won’t hear beautiful music but will instead be overwhelmed by noise, distortion, and crippled sound quality. That’s nuts.I have the opposite viewTurntables have no hope of approaching the fidelity of digital, so they shouldn't even try. Vinyl enthusiasts say they prefer TT's because of the sound. So I say - if that's their approach, they should just forget about fidelity. Celebrate the distortion. Forget expensive turntables, they should find one that they like.
Agree. Expensive turntables are like expensive cars, watches, yachts, there is no upper limit.I have the opposite viewTurntables have no hope of approaching the fidelity of digital, so they shouldn't even try. Vinyl enthusiasts say they prefer TT's because of the sound. So I say - if that's their approach, they should just forget about fidelity. Celebrate the distortion. Forget expensive turntables, they should find one that they like.
Hear, hear!I think it would be good for Amir to test one of Technics turntables
The Massimo Nero TMD is about 6600.00 US Dollars, the Technics SL1000R is about 27.000 US Dollars. Just saying...FWIW, Hi-Fi News and Record Report still reviews and measures turntables:
Technics SL-1000R turntable/arm Lab Report
Two years ago Technics' SL-1200GAE turntable set the standard for rumble and speed accuracy – benchmarks that are inched forward again by this flagship 'Reference Class' SL-1000R. Speed accuracy is, quite frankly, beyond the limits of accuracy using any test record because there are finite speed...www.hifinews.com
Transrotor Massimo Nero turntable Lab Report
Driven via a single ‘Konstant Eins’ AC motor pod, Transrotor’s Massimo Nero TMD achieves stable speed within six seconds. As supplied, our sample was running +1.6% fast but with (very) careful adjustment of the controller’s hidden screwhead – see instructions! – it was possible to pull the...www.hifinews.com
Note that the crazy expensive "Transrotor’s Massimo Nero TMD achieves stable speed within six seconds", while the pricey but far less expensive Technics takes only a second. Not to mention that it's clearly superior as regards wow and flutter/rumble.
Misread the article, you're right. Hi-Fi News also cited the "Metropolis FMD, which will set you back a not inconsiderable £180,000". My bad.The Massimo Nero TMD is about 6600.00 US Dollars, the Technics SL1000R is about 27.000 US Dollars. Just saying...
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TRANSROTOR MASSIMO NERO TMD TURNTABLE
Massimo Nero comes in a POM and solid steel chassis, 80mm POM platter, TMD (Transrotor Magnetic Drive) bearing and option to equip up to four 9-inch or 12-inch tonearm base. The arm board can be ordered to accommodate your choice of tone arm mounting specification. Standard package includes the...vinylsound.com
Read the same article, still amazed at the Micro Seiki, cough, Massimo Nero price. Owned the later pictured Transrotor Connoisseur for a number of years.Misread the article, you're right. Hi-Fi News also cited the "Metropolis FMD, which will set you back a not inconsiderable £180,000". My bad.
At this stage of the game I'd rather see reviews concentrate on current techI still have my tt/vinyl but rarely use it these days. Is the effort/time required to test tt's vs arms vs cartridges really worth it? I don't think so. Nice for nostalgia, but....
Just a pain in so many ways, let alone the logistics or long term stuff....I'd be more interested in how a classic tt like my 1200mk2 measured then and now but that would also be somewhat questionable (how would you even do same test rig over so long a time?)Also, after shipping, it would take a while to get it adjusted to where it was before being shipped. I don't see the point in wasting time on turntable measurements.