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Take your pick Chief: Audio Electronics Review and Measurements Index | Audio Science Review (ASR) ForumName 2
Take your pick Chief: Audio Electronics Review and Measurements Index | Audio Science Review (ASR) ForumName 2
Without bench testing how can you state :I have owned a Lumin D2 for a while and can tell you its worth every penny I paid. Bullet proof absolutely fantastic sound. No bench testing al la Amir but just offloading my streaming duties from my AV proc and/or Oppo udp this product was orders of magnitude better, pick your parameter. Based on those observations if my financial reality supported the purchase of a T2 I would not hesitate.
....?this product was orders of magnitude better, pick your parameter
The case will be the most expensive part of that product by far, so maybe they are relying on an impressive look to justify a high price for a product which is neither better nor worse than other functionally similar units at both lower and higher prices?Hi all
Is there any good objective reason why Lumin is that expensive? When looking at inside the box (e.g. In T2), the box seems mostly empty (ess 9028). I am curious about what our technical experts think about these products.
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That is not a serious answer. Perhaps I'm perceiving your reply through the lens of my post only. Could you recommend 2 products that perform as well or better than my D2 for less money? Quality does matter, it can be expensive ever complying with law of diminishing returns. I get the retail hype, I get the hi end magazine hype. I come to this site for hard testing data and legitimate information from actual users with real experience with the products directly or perhaps intelligent thoughtful enthusiasm for the hobby with experience with analogous products or perhaps seasoned professionals in the business writ large. Am I expecting too much?
That is not a serious answer. Perhaps I'm perceiving your reply through the lens of my post only. Could you recommend 2 products that perform as well or better than my D2 for less money? Quality does matter, it can be expensive ever complying with law of diminishing returns. I get the retail hype, I get the hi end magazine hype. I come to this site for hard testing data and legitimate information from actual users with real experience with the products directly or perhaps intelligent thoughtful enthusiasm for the hobby with experience with analogous products or perhaps seasoned professionals in the business writ large. Am I expecting too much?
My experience here has been, however, those qualifications rarely apply here, present company exclude of course. The vibe here seems to be a lot of negative conjecture with a tendency toward bloviation with a decided lack of impulse control. Further there also seems to be a constant pattern of low grade trolling
Could you recommend 2 products that perform as well or better than my D2 for less money?
I have looked on their web site. It doesn't give any proper information about its likely performance, just mentions which chips are used which tells nothing since it is the implementation which determines the actual performance realised by the chip in a circuit, so, in effect their web site tells nothing about its potential performance at all.That is not a serious answer. Perhaps I'm perceiving your reply through the lens of my post only. Could you recommend 2 products that perform as well or better than my D2 for less money? Quality does matter, it can be expensive ever complying with law of diminishing returns. I get the retail hype, I get the hi end magazine hype. I come to this site for hard testing data and legitimate information from actual users with real experience with the products directly or perhaps intelligent thoughtful enthusiasm for the hobby with experience with analogous products or perhaps seasoned professionals in the business writ large. Am I expecting too much?
My experience here has been, however, those qualifications rarely apply here, present company exclude of course. The vibe here seems to be a lot of negative conjecture with a tendency toward bloviation with a decided lack of impulse control. Further there also seems to be a constant pattern of low grade trolling
Any parameter. My best example would be a complete lack of glare or harshness in the presentation. An amazing ability to deliver the very subtle the micro dynamics buried in the hi resolution files in my library. A case in point would be the perception of the shimmer of sounds coming from the hall boundaries where the music was recorded. Again these are perceptions rather than hard measurements. See my previous post referring to the av processor, Marantz AV 8802A and AV 7705 with dnla streaming from Serviio music server, or UDP players OPPO UDP 203 and OPPO UDP 205 analogue out or HDMI for both. direct dnla and as ROON endpoints though the Marantz processors.Without bench testing how can you state : ....?
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I'll leave the pick to you .
Please tell us how you reached those conclusions.
I would call that an absence of hype, I would look to reviews from credible sources out in the wild.I have looked on their web site. It doesn't give any proper information about its likely performance, just mentions which chips are used which tells nothing since it is the implementation which determines the actual performance realised by the chip in a circuit, so, in effect their web site tells nothing about its potential performance at all.
In any case there are plenty of audibly transparent digital devices around so it will be the functionality of the software control which would give the most potential for satisfaction or otherwise not its SQ (apart from any placebo effect).
What do you think is credible? I’m pretty sure it going to be the polar opposite of what most people here think is credible.I would call that an absence of hype, I would look to reviews from credible sources out in the wild.
Any parameter. My best example would be a complete lack of glare or harshness in the presentation. An amazing ability to deliver the very subtle the micro dynamics buried in the hi resolution files in my library. A case in point would be the perception of the shimmer of sounds coming from the hall boundaries where the music was recorded. Again these are perceptions rather than hard measurements.
Any parameter. My best example would be a complete lack of glare or harshness in the presentation. An amazing ability to deliver the very subtle the micro dynamics buried in the hi resolution files in my library. A case in point would be the perception of the shimmer of sounds coming from the hall boundaries where the music was recorded. Again these are perceptions rather than hard measurements. See my previous post referring to the av processor, Marantz AV 8802A and AV 7705 with dnla streaming from Serviio music server, or UDP players OPPO UDP 203 and OPPO UDP 205 analogue out or HDMI for both. direct dnla and as ROON endpoints though the Marantz processors.
The D2 took my system to a new level altogether. I reached the conclusion with a direct comparison to the DACs listed. Please consider D2 analogue out through either of the Marantz pre/procs was devoid of glare compared to the Marantzs themselves. The same was true for the OPPOs' presentation through the same Marantzs compare to the D2
That lack of glare would be a great measure of a DAC's quality. Two DACs using the same chip with different board designs could vary wildly in this.
I don't think there have been any AFAIK.I would call that an absence of hype, I would look to reviews from credible sources out in the wild.
Point taken, I did offered a perception but that's all I have to go on. The theory being that if my beat up old ears can pick up something new , subtle and beautiful then there might be a chance someone else might as well. Never mind the infinite variable in systems here.I wouldn't really count impressions and perceptions as parameters. Don't get me wrong, they are vital to your own personal experience, but there's a risk of it being something others will not experience unless they are influenced by the same suggestions as you.
Well you know they say about assumptions.What do you think is credible? I’m pretty sure it going to be the polar opposite of what most people here think is credible.
Well the placebo effect is very powerful, it can cure some diseases and even have "side effects" with pills that do nothing and it can sound better with audio equipment which does nothing too, and it is just as real. If you hear it that is all that matters.I love it when the magic happens and that may not show up on a graph.
I would call that an absence of hype, I would look to reviews from credible sources out in the wild.
Again these are perceptions rather than hard measurements. See my previous post referring to the av processor, Marantz AV 8802A and AV 7705 with dnla streaming from Serviio music server, or UDP players OPPO UDP 203 and OPPO UDP 205 analogue out or HDMI for both. direct dnla and as ROON endpoints though the Marantz processors.
You are right I am in the wrong place and I appreciate your positive responses to my question. Name 2 and you didI think you are in the wrong place. We do science here, and that means proper theory, measurements and double blind listening tests. If you want a suggestion for a perfect DAC, look for RME ADI-2, selling for about 1000 euros. It does not get any better, and you get volume, balance, tone and dynamic loudness controls thrown into the bargain. It has multiple inputs, so you can also use it for your TV and Bluray audio. For a streamer, have a look at the Chromecast Audio's optical output.
Well you know they say about assumptions.