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Why do you think a few members have an 'alcoholic anonymous' vibe towards the audiophile community? It seems a harmless hobby as far as things go?

When you stop listening to the music and start listening to the equipment...you have lost.
Well....if you are having fun, you've won, I think. It's the bizarre need to rationalize/justify/signal with one's fun that causes problems.

I mean, I get it, the music is the important thing to me most of the time. But hobbies are hobbies. Some people pick dead grass out of their lawn with tweezers.
 
Well....if you are having fun, you've won, I think. It's the bizarre need to rationalize/justify/signal with one's fun that causes problems.

I mean, I get it, the music is the important thing to me most of the time. But hobbies are hobbies. Some people pick dead grass out of their lawn with tweezers.
I had a lot of fun for a long time, but chasing audio nirvana eventually made listening to music stressful. Just my experience. I hope you always can find the balance of enjoying the tech and the music.
 
I can in no way see how audio is a self-destructive addiction. You don't destroy your health. I don't know of anyone that lost their job or family because they got into the hobby.

I find the comparison a bit offensive... mostly to those suffering from real addition issues. But audio gear heads with disposable income are not addicts, they are simply pursuing an expensive hobby they can afford, and it's nobody's business. Just like it's nobody's business to opine on Jay Lenos car collection and the money he spends on it.

I will also openly admit I did blow a lot of money on cocaine in the early 90s when I was a young sales engineer. Do I regret blowing a. lot of income on it? yes. do I blame anyone else and pretend to be a victim? No, not ever.
 
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I can in no way see how audio is a self-destructive addiction. You don't destroy your health. I don't know of anyone that lost their job or family because they got into the hobby.

I find the comparison a bit offensive... mostly to those suffering from real addition issues. But audio gear heads with disposable income are not addicts, they are simply pursuing an expensive hobby they can afford, and it's nobody's business. Just like it's nobody's business to opine on Jay Lenos car collection and the money he spends on it.

I will also openly admit I did blow a lot of money on cocaine in the early 90s when I was a young sales engineer. Do I regret blowing a. lot of income on it? yes. do I blame anyone else and pretend to be a victim? No, not ever.
What about that fairly famous audiophile Ken Fritz who passed not very long ago, long obsessed about his gear and at the expense of his family?
 
What about that fairly famous audiophile Ken Fritz who passed not very long ago, long obsessed about his gear and at the expense of his family?
Ken Fritz alienated some, not all, of his family. He had the resources to make his dream audio system. Though just about everyone here at ASR would question his choices I don't think any of us here are in a position to question his decision to make a dream system. For me, his collection of LPs went way beyond "collection" straight into "hoarding". But if I had the money, I would doubtless make a dream audio system, albeit one significantly different than Fritz's.


 
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What about that fairly famous audiophile Ken Fritz who passed not very long ago, long obsessed about his gear and at the expense of his family?
I admit to zero insight in that story. Any hobby has some irrationality at its core. Addiction is in my option a different level. I was. never addicted to cocaine, I just enjoyed it. I did quit it easily.

I think it is hard for people that didn't experience real addiction to be armchair judges for the psychological journey that may lead there. I have known extremely intelligent people that have successfully mastered every aspect of personal and professional life while dealing with addiction. the topic is way more complicated... and way beyond the scope of what ASR should be.

I strongly advise this forum to not confuse gear obsession with drug addiction. different stuff altogether.
 
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But if I had the money, I would doubtless make a dream audio system, albeit one significantly different than Fritz's.

I have occasionally wondered if I’d even have a dream system anymore. If I think of loudspeakers for instance more extravagant than the ones I have, I think I need a different room. So much of my audiophile dreaming over the years has been centred on loudspeakers that could actually fit in my room and work well. To that end, I have something close to my dream speakers… as well as the rest of the set up… already.
Which is a nice place to be. (or to have ended up, since money is tight, and I don’t see any audio purchases for quite a while).
 
I have occasionally wondered if I’d even have a dream system anymore. If I think of loudspeakers for instance more extravagant than the ones I have, I think I need a different room. So much of my audiophile dreaming over the years has been centred on loudspeakers that could actually fit in my room and work well. To that end, I have something close to my dream speakers… as well as the rest of the set up… already.
Which is a nice place to be. (or to have ended up, since money is tight, and I don’t see any audio purchases for quite a while).
I'd have to have a different house in order to have my "dream system". Fortunately, my tastes are relatively simple - I'm happy with my Infinity towers and a Sonus sub streaming Tidal in a small room, like I am right now.
 
I have occasionally wondered if I’d even have a dream system anymore. If I think of loudspeakers for instance more extravagant than the ones I have, I think I need a different room. So much of my audiophile dreaming over the years has been centred on loudspeakers that could actually fit in my room and work well. To that end, I have something close to my dream speakers… as well as the rest of the set up… already.
Which is a nice place to be. (or to have ended up, since money is tight, and I don’t see any audio purchases for quite a while).
You obviously have a couple of great systems. If I was writing a PhD on audiophile motivations, I'd interview you. And I mean that in a constructive way.

Why is someone like you still a searcher? You don't have a remotely addictive personality from. all I have read (just a stubborn one at times, and. I mean that positively).

It's clearly not about addiction.
 
I admit to zero insight in that story. Any hobby has some irrationality at its core. Addiction is in my option a different level. I was. never addicted to cocaine, I just enjoyed it. I did quit it easily.

I think it is hard for people that didn't experience real addiction to be armchair judges for the psychological journey that may lead there. I have known extremely intelligent people that have successfully mastered every aspect of personal and professional life while dealing with addiction. the topic is way more complicated... and way beyond the scope of what ASR should be.

I strongly advise this forum to not confuse gear obsession with drug addiction. different stuff altogether.
This was started before his death and goes past as well https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ken-fritz-audiophile-documentary.22806/

Addiction can take many forms that aren't healthy. Especially when your gear obsession affects your family....
 
I'd have to have a different house in order to have my "dream system". Fortunately, my tastes are relatively simple - I'm happy with my Infinity towers and a Sonus sub streaming Tidal in a small room, like I am right now.
Also super curious here. You clearly are super aware and knowledgeable... what do you think you are missing? Genuinely curious.
 
Since I asked others what their remaining motivations are... even though they clearly have all the know how and they are members I lik to follow given their perspectives...

For myself.. . the missing link is merely related to the loss of my large dream system in my pre divorce house. I will most likely never regain that again. I have downsized and it is a trend I shall keep up. And while I rationally know I have not sacrificed audio fidelity, I do miss the environment.

It's not about sound quality (at least for me) as. much as it is for missing that one moment when I moved into a dream house with my dream girl and splurged on my dream system. My current system in my opinion sounds better, but it will never recapture that magic. And that's in my head, not in any measurable system capability.
 
Also super curious here. You clearly are super aware and knowledgeable... what do you think you are missing? Genuinely curious.
I'd like a room large enough that my musical friends could play together. This is a group that usually maxes out at 15 players, guitars, mandolin, upright bass, squeezebox, drum kit, sometimes other instruments. Such a room obviously would be better for music playback of recordings. What is currently missing in my home playback is the bottom octave. Having some distance from the speakers would help with imaging, having surround done right would have even more advantages. I want self-powered speakers such as Gelelecs or Neumanns that are extremely linear and low distortion. Right now, I have Infinity towers and a Sonus sub in a small room, the room not big enough to support the lowest notes (though the gear doesn't produce those notes either). But even more important to me would be having a room big enough for my musician friends. One of those musicians has a room almost the right size, just a bit smaller than ideal, though the room opens up to a large living room and kitchen area. That room also has a high raked ceiling which also helps with the sound.
 
Ken Fritz alienated some, not all, of his family. He had the resources to make his dream audio system. Though just about everyone here at ASR would question his choices I don't think any of us here are in a position to question his decision to make a dream system. For me, his collection of LPs went way beyond "collection" straight into "hoarding". But if I had the money, I would doubtless make a dream audio system, albeit one significantly different than Fritz's.


Guess a lot of it is in the eye of the beholder... and yes, seems like he could afford it. And yes, my guess is that in the eyes of many people he behaved like an addict and the consequences were not positive, therefore, confirming the conclusion.

I do follow a similar criteria in my own life... I really really really try to monitor if any of my obsessions/hobbies/rabbit holes cause any negative consequences in real life; if they do, I try to pare it down and, well, do less or get out of it completely.

And by negative consequences, I mean anything. Whether I spend money unnecessarily or more than I planned, it makes me late for anything or it causes an issue with my spouse, it doesn't matter. All of those qualify and I try to pare down or wind down the behaviour, because TO ME, that's what an addiction looks like.
 
Denial is not a river in Egypt
But the Nile river is also known to change course regularly, just like the Mississippi and many large rivers. Sorry for the metaphor but doesn't it explain our constantly flowing tendencies in things audio? I think all of us in audio know that not all of our investments were for improvements, they were seasonal sideway changes in flow.
 
You obviously have a couple of great systems. If I was writing a PhD on audiophile motivations, I'd interview you. And I mean that in a constructive way.

Why is someone like you still a searcher? You don't have a remotely addictive personality from. all I have read (just a stubborn one at times, and. I mean that positively).

It's clearly not about addiction.

Interesting. I actually wondered about whether there was any addictive quality. I suppose one could say that about any hobbyist or enthusiast. But then I just quickly looked up on ChatGPT the difference between a hobby and addiction, and I ticked all the hobby aspects and none of the addiction aspects… so I guess you are right :/)

As for searching perhaps that’s something that is shared with other hobbies or passions : A looking to keep those dopamine hits coming?
I mean, people with a hobby or passion usually don’t just do something once… then it’s not a hobby/passion. Mountain bikers, people into camping, canoeing, rock climbing, whatever, don’t just endlessly repeat the same experience, they look for different places and challenges. Perhaps some audiophiles can approach their hobby the same way. One can go beyond just “ I want a stereo system” to being interested in the varieties gear and sound systems available and want to experience some variety.

I was never looking for “ the” system because I liked playing with different equipment and different presentations.

However, at some point life can force some choices. Along the way, I think like many audiophiles, I’ve sort of honed down the things that I’m looking for when it comes to a final system. Which is what I’ve got mostly (except that no system does absolutely everything I like, so it’s still a compromise, but I’ve definitely got the two loudspeakers I could live with. Maybe I’ll get rid of one of them at some point.).

Do you feel that you have gradually zeroed in on what do you want in an audio system? And are you there?
 
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