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Why do movie makers get the HiFi so wrong?

mhardy6647 said:
ahem.
another personal pet peeve at my house. Since the bald eagle has a pretty wussy call, whenever one sees a majestic bald eagle soaring by, the sound that accompanies it is usually the decidedly more majestic call of a red-tailed hawk.

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"high, weak-sounding whinny" :rolleyes:
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Bald Eagle Photos and Videos for, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology

The Bald Eagle has been the national emblem of the United States since 1782 and a spiritual symbol for native people for far longer than that. These regal birds aren’t really bald, but their white-feathered heads gleam in contrast to their chocolate-brown body and wings. Look for them soaring in...
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Bald Eagle Sounds, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology

The Bald Eagle has been the national emblem of the United States since 1782 and a spiritual symbol for native people for far longer than that. These regal birds aren’t really bald, but their white-feathered heads gleam in contrast to their chocolate-brown body and wings. Look for them soaring in...
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compare the red-tail...
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Red-tailed Hawk Sounds, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology

This is probably the most common hawk in North America. If you’ve got sharp eyes you’ll see several individuals on almost any long car ride, anywhere. Red-tailed Hawks soar above open fields, slowly turning circles on their broad, rounded wings. Other times you’ll see them atop telephone poles...
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As an example, the keening sound of the eagle in the opening credits of the old TV show Northern Exposure... you guessed it: red-tail. :D

Plus -- eagles are raptors, and thus kind of apex predators, but, truth be told, they'd much rather antagonize other raptors and steal their catches than hunt their own.
:facepalm:

Ol' Ben Franklin was probably right (for a lot of reasons), the US's symbol probably should've been the turkey rather than the eagle.
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This is a bogus Foley that always gets into my wife's craw.
 
Robin L said:
This is a bogus Foley that always gets into my wife's craw.
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Just for clarity, if we are talking about the sound of an eagle that would be my boathouse: sound effects editing/design.

Foley are the sound effects that are created usually live in studio, performed in real time synced to the image, And tends to cover most of the fiddly human moves… footsteps, clothing moves, picking up and putting down of Stuff, gun handling etc.

Whenever somebody finds out I do sound effects the first thing they say is “ oh, you do Foley that’s great!” Somehow, Foley seems to have been lodged in the mind of the public when they think of sound effects.

Also, I try and get birds and other wildlife correct when I can - generally appropriate birds for the location, etc.

I did an Osgood Perkins film and I suggested to him that with the amount of space he provided, local interesting insects could play a nice role in atmosphere (Massachusetts ) which he liked, so I consulted an entomologist in Massachusetts, and got some of his recordings, which worked out great.

I’d feel frankly pretty embarrassed to front-feature wildlife sounds that were completely
out of touch with an actual location.

(Though, yeah, I don’t vet absolutely every single bird track in that regard and every single show)
 
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MattHooper said:
Just for clarity, if we are talking about the sound of an eagle that would be my boathouse: sound effects editing/design.

Foley are the sound effects that are created usually live in studio, performed in real time synced to the image, And tends to cover most of the fiddly human moves… footsteps, clothing moves, picking up and putting down of Stuff, gun handling etc.

Whenever somebody finds out I do sound effects the first thing they say is “ oh, you do Foley that’s great!” Somehow, Foley seems to have been lodged in the mind of the public when they think of sound effects.

Also, I try and get birds and other wildlife correct when I can - generally appropriate birds for the location, etc.

I did an Osgood Perkins film and I suggested to him that with the amount of space he provided, local interesting insects could play a nice role in atmosphere (Massachusetts ) which he liked, so I consulted an entomologist in Massachusetts, and got some of his recordings, which worked out great.

I’d feel frankly pretty embarrassed to front-feature wildlife sounds that were completely
out of touch with an actual location.

(Though, yeah, I don’t vet absolutely every single bird track in that regard and every single show)
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I see:

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MattHooper said:
Just for clarity, if we are talking about the sound of an eagle that would be my boathouse: sound effects editing/design.

Foley are the sound effects that are created usually live in studio, performed in real time synced to the image, And tends to cover most of the fiddly human moves… footsteps, clothing moves, picking up and putting down of Stuff, gun handling etc.

Whenever somebody finds out I do sound effects the first thing they say is “ oh, you do Foley that’s great!” Somehow, Foley seems to have been lodged in the mind of the public when they think of sound effects.

Also, I try and get birds and other wildlife correct when I can - generally appropriate birds for the location, etc.

I did an Osgood Perkins film and I suggested to him that with the amount of space he provided, local interesting insects could play a nice role in atmosphere (Massachusetts ) which he liked, so I consulted an entomologist in Massachusetts, and got some of his recordings, which worked out great.

I’d feel frankly pretty embarrassed to front-feature wildlife sounds that were completely
out of touch with an actual location.

(Though, yeah, I don’t vet absolutely every single bird track in that regard and every single show)
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Katydids in Massachusetts still do that katydid sound (as do... you know, southern katydids). Up here in New Hamster, they look the same... but they're silent.
Go figure.

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Full disclosure -- the cover photo on Katy Lied kinda looks more like a grasshopper than a katydid to me... but I ain't no entomologist. More of an etymologist, actually, if only as an avocation. ;)

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I am gettin' to be so slow in my dotage... :facepalm: ;)
 
Robin L said:
My wife's response to this sort of thing; "It's not a documentary".
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When I watch Bird, throughout the proceeding I interrupt to say things like "That's not Charlie Parker at all. That's Forest Whitaker pretending to be Charlie Parker. And that's not Forest Whitaker playing the saxophone. It's a recording of Charlie Parker." I think it's important for everyone to understand the truth.
 
Multicore said:
When I watch Bird, throughout the proceeding I interrupt to say things like "That's not Charlie Parker at all. That's Forest Whitaker pretending to be Charlie Parker. And that's not Forest Whitaker playing the saxophone. It's a recording of Charlie Parker." I think it's important for everyone to understand the truth.
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"And that's not even the recording of Yardbird + ensemble, it's Yardbird + another group recorded in stereo!"
Frustrating movie on multiple levels.
 
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