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Whole House Surge Protector Question

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I currently live at about 3,500’ in the Blue Ridge mountains in northwestern NC. My current whole house surge protector has been in place since 1995, and a replacement is likely long overdue. We do get occasional thunder storms with lightning, but nothing like we experienced in Texas.

So my question is what should I get? I’m considering an EMP Shield – Home EMP & Lightning Protection + CME Defense for Flush Mounted Breaker Box (SP-120-240-RL/Concealed Model) Lightning, Solar Flare, and Surge Protection for about $460. The manufacturer claims it is capable of withstanding up to 228,000 AMPS per phase, which seems like a good rating compared to other whole house protectors with lower ratings. The company sells direct and through Amazon, and their web site is https://www.empshield.com/. In their specs, I was unable to find what their rated clamping voltage is.

In my research, I’ve of course come across several significantly more expensive “boutique audiophile” surge protectors with much lower ratings.

So, i’m open to recommendations. Any feedback would be appreciated.


A TRUE STORY: I lived in Arlington, TX back in the 80’s and 90’s. We had a bad thunderstorm roll through one afternoon and lightning struck the transformer that fed our home and several others, and the strike blew the transformer off the pole into my backyard. I incurred ZERO damage, and my power feed was the closest to the transformer.

My neighbour on our left lost EVERYTHING that was plugged into an outlet, including their stove, refrigerator, D/W, water heater, and their HVAC. Even worse, all of their home’s interior electrical wiring was fried and the entire house had to be re-wired. Their insurance company was only willing to replace their inside wiring with wiring in code-approved conduit and conduit mounted outlets that would be placed on the bottom outside of their walls in all the interior rooms (would have been ugly as hell).

The neighbour paid extra to have electricians fish new wiring down from the attic so the wiring would be like it was before. This was an expensive extra cost NOT COVERED by their H/O policy. It was August in central Texas and an electrician could only last about 15 minutes in the attic before they had to take a break. Their attic temperature ranged from 130F to 140F. And they had to buy all new appliances, install a new HVAC, and live in a hotel room for two months while all this work was being done.

My neighbour on the other side had mostly $20 - $30 plug-in surge protectors, and they were all fried. Virtually everything plugged into a 120V outlet was fried. The stuff that was plugged into a 240V outlet mostly survived, but the stove lost its clock and timer settings, and the dryer somewhat worked but you could not set the drying time or temperature. All of this pain could likely been avoided if a $150 -$250 whole house surge protector been installed and properly grounded.

After this storm I immediately replaced my whole-house surge protector as I correctly assumed it had been friedi. As always. YMMV
 
Your options are:
a) a protector mounted inside your main breaker box. This protector has too be UL listed for the brand & model breaker box.
b) a protector mounted inside your meter by the power company.
c] an after market high-tech or low- tech protector mounted next to the main breaker box.

some recent blogs:
 
I have a Siemens unit outside by the power intake to the house. Works great ( i guess since I have not had issues!)

EDIT: it was not cheap. Makes me wonder if I overpaid or if the one you list is suspect
 
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Just FYI. Check with your Power Provider. They may offer a whole house surge protection system. It’s what I use down here in Florida. The device is installed at the Power Meter and protects the entire house in front of the fuse box. It costs about $12 bucks a month and includes appliances damaged insurance. Maybe your Electric Company offers a solution that might fix your needs and budget. Can’t hurt to check.
 
Just FYI. Check with your Power Provider. They may offer a whole house surge protection system. It’s what I use down here in Florida. The device is installed at the Power Meter and protects the entire house in front of the fuse box. It costs about $12 bucks a month and includes appliances damaged insurance. Maybe your Electric Company offers a solution that might fix your needs and budget. Can’t hurt to check.
I have been offered that by FPL but they described it more like an insurance rather than an appliance.....? So Fla here
 
FWIW we have two units, one in the breaker box, one outside, both Leviton and installed by our electrician when we built the house. The external one is a lightning protector designed to handle near strikes and has series open/parallel spark-gap operation IIRC. We have had several near strikes (i.e. within 50 yards of the house) and no damage (knock on wood!) The internal unit is a conventional surge protector. In addition, most of the sensitive electronics (audio equipment except power amps, TVs, computers, aquarium) are on individual UPS units to ride out short power glitches (frequent in our area) or until our whole-house generator kicks on.

Don't forget other sources of surges like cable and phone landlines. The phone company installed surge protection when we built. The cable company did not, so I added one internally before the distribution splitters. After one strike took out our cable line, they installed an external protection device outside the house where the cable enters.

Calling the power company, and phone and cable companies, is a great idea as @AdamG said. I did not think of that until later, but the cable and phone company would do it for free. The power company charged an installation fee plus a monthly fee, though I was also told there was protection in the distribution box on out property. I am sure it varies by area. I prefer protection at the house since there is a long (~100 yard) run from the pole or box to the house, plenty of length for a near strike to cause damage. I also wanted internal protection from things like motors cycling on and off, creating large internal voltage surges, during power glitches.

FWIWFM - Don
 
Just FYI. Check with your Power Provider. They may offer a whole house surge protection system. It’s what I use down here in Florida. The device is installed at the Power Meter and protects the entire house in front of the fuse box. It costs about $12 bucks a month and includes appliances damaged insurance. Maybe your Electric Company offers a solution that might fix your needs and budget. Can’t hurt to check.
My son had surge protection provided by the Lake Worth Beach utilities (Lake Worth Beach, FL provides electricity to their residence rather than FPL). It didn't work very well. A power line behind his house snapped due to a tree, and even with the surge protection, his refrigerator was damaged, as well as some other things, but I don't remember which. Supposedly having the surge protection provided an in-home warranty, but dealing with them to try to get reimbursement for the new refrigerator was a nightmare and he gave up.

I installed a Siemens First Surge on each of my breaker panels.
 
I have been offered that by FPL but they described it more like an insurance rather than an appliance.....? So Fla here
It’s both. They will come out and install the surge/lighting strike prevention device just on the inside of your meter.

More details discussed here. I am not endorsing this product as such. Just putting it out there as a possible solution to consider.

 
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Don't forget other sources of surges like cable and phone landlines. The phone company installed surge protection when we built. The cable company did not, so I added one internally before the distribution splitters. After one strike took out our cable line, they installed an external protection device outside the house where the cable enters.
Yet another reason to ditch copper and go fiber Internet!
 
Yet another reason to ditch copper and go fiber Internet!
There are 3000 people in my semi-rural town and we don't have it in our streets, what is the cheap way to get it? :cool:
 
There are 3000 people in my semi-rural town and we don't have it in our streets, what is the cheap way to get it? :cool:
Timcognito, We use a cellular provider named Visible. They are owned by Verizon, so they use Verizon towers for their network. If they are available to you, they have a $45/month plan with unlimited data. We use it frequently when our crap cable internet goes down. We do have fibre on our street, but it’s not inexpensive. The town I live has a population of only about 1,900 HellBillies
 
Thank you to all who’ve replied. We dropped our landlines years ago, but we do have a copper coax cable for our half-assed HellBillie cableInternet.

I just made some significant A/V upgrades, so I’m going to bite the bullet and switch to fibre Internet. Then there be no copper coming into our home except for the power line. Speaking of power, I went by our local power company today, but they only offer insurance, no hardware.
 
I currently live at about 3,500’ in the Blue Ridge mountains in northwestern NC. My current whole house surge protector has been in place since 1995, and a replacement is likely long overdue. We do get occasional thunder storms with lightning, but nothing like we experienced in Texas.

So my question is what should I get? I’m considering an EMP Shield – Home EMP & Lightning Protection + CME Defense for Flush Mounted Breaker Box (SP-120-240-RL/Concealed Model) Lightning, Solar Flare, and Surge Protection for about $460. The manufacturer claims it is capable of withstanding up to 228,000 AMPS per phase, which seems like a good rating compared to other whole house protectors with lower ratings. The company sells direct and through Amazon, and their web site is https://www.empshield.com/. In their specs, I was unable to find what their rated clamping voltage is.

In my research, I’ve of course come across several significantly more expensive “boutique audiophile” surge protectors with much lower ratings.

So, i’m open to recommendations. Any feedback would be appreciated.


A TRUE STORY: I lived in Arlington, TX back in the 80’s and 90’s. We had a bad thunderstorm roll through one afternoon and lightning struck the transformer that fed our home and several others, and the strike blew the transformer off the pole into my backyard. I incurred ZERO damage, and my power feed was the closest to the transformer.

My neighbour on our left lost EVERYTHING that was plugged into an outlet, including their stove, refrigerator, D/W, water heater, and their HVAC. Even worse, all of their home’s interior electrical wiring was fried and the entire house had to be re-wired. Their insurance company was only willing to replace their inside wiring with wiring in code-approved conduit and conduit mounted outlets that would be placed on the bottom outside of their walls in all the interior rooms (would have been ugly as hell).

The neighbour paid extra to have electricians fish new wiring down from the attic so the wiring would be like it was before. This was an expensive extra cost NOT COVERED by their H/O policy. It was August in central Texas and an electrician could only last about 15 minutes in the attic before they had to take a break. Their attic temperature ranged from 130F to 140F. And they had to buy all new appliances, install a new HVAC, and live in a hotel room for two months while all this work was being done.

My neighbour on the other side had mostly $20 - $30 plug-in surge protectors, and they were all fried. Virtually everything plugged into a 120V outlet was fried. The stuff that was plugged into a 240V outlet mostly survived, but the stove lost its clock and timer settings, and the dryer somewhat worked but you could not set the drying time or temperature. All of this pain could likely been avoided if a $150 -$250 whole house surge protector been installed and properly grounded.

After this storm I immediately replaced my whole-house surge protector as I correctly assumed it had been friedi. As always. YMMV
For what it's worth, I've lived all over the United States, including many summers and over a year continuously in western NC. Appalachia, in contrast to places like Florida, Texas, and Alabama, seems not to be particularly susceptible to power problems.

Targeting the "prepper" market, EMP Shield says that its surge protectors can protect against electromagnetic pulses caused by high-altitude nuclear blasts. That assertion seems questionable to anyone who knows how EMPs damage things with electrical circuits.

If you are set on getting a surge protector installed, and it seems like you are, I would get one that is UL-listed (the EMP Shield products are not) and made by a reputable U.S. manufacturer such as Schneider/Square D or Eaton.
 
I ordered a Siemens Boltshield FSPD 140kA from Lowes for $186 less my 10% military discount. I’m not terribly worried about an EMP from a high altitude atomic blast.

I’m more concerned about solar flares. The recent one resulted in the Aurora Borealis to be visible in our area a week it two ago!
 
We just had an extraordinary lightning storm here in Scarsdale, NY and are approaching peak Con Ed brownout season. I bit the bullet and paid an electrician $500 to install a type 1 SPD at the top of our service panel this morning.
 
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