Who invited Milton to the party?

[EJ3]

Do you think you could notice an average increase of 2 or 3 inches at your dock given the tides and their cycle of daily difference?

There is a permanent waterline that is created over time. Do you not notice thing about your surroundings that you see daily.
And the docks of the neighbors, also, as we have all lived here a long time. We have only noticed that since the City replaced the 4 ft. wide by 3 ft. deep ditch with a 14" dia. pipe and filled the rest of the ditch next to my place in, that the neighbors across the street (inland of me, I am on the water) flood frequently.
Naturally, that was decided to be done by the city engineers consulting with the Department of Natural Resources scientists. So they created their own flooding.
Brilliant.
The elderly lady that lives in & owns the place across the street says that when the City comes out, they say that it works as intended. I do not live in the City (It's across the street), so...

 

[Frank Dernie]

There is a permanent waterline that is created over time.

Indeed, but my guess is that the increase in water level of between 2 to 3 inches over the last 20 years could have moved the line without anybody noticing because it is a small amount each year, though getting bigger.

Anyway I think a combination of many global meteorological measurements is more likely to give good scientific data than a mark on a dock post in one location.

It does sound rather like you live somewhere that infrastructure management is incompetent, bad luck for those neigbours!

 

[Koeitje]

I object. You are once again trying to silence a scientific argument because it does not suit your political narrative. You are making it political. However, the science stands. Do you have a Nobel prize in physics? If you do, I will listen.

That's because anti-scientific and anti-intellectual sentiment has always been part of, usually right wing but not always, populist rhetoric. It is also especially common in dictatorships and other totalitarian regimes.

That was not the point, I don't know where you live so hard to debate, but I doubt there's any other nation on earth with
as many miles of high speed interstate highways as the US. Since US citizens do more of their yearly miles driving at high speeds it
only stands to reason the fatality % per accident will be higher. Your much more likely to get killed in a 70mph crash than a 30 mph
fender bender.

BTW, this has nothing to do with politics, simply a matter of accident statistics.

"As of June 2023, the Interstate Highway System in the United States is 42,795 miles long. The system includes 10 transcontinental routes and highways ranging from 18 to over 3,000 miles in length.
The Interstate Highway System is a vital part of the country's transportation system, carrying 24–26% of all vehicle traffic in the United States."

The Netherlands has the highest density of highways in Europe. People always think that people in the Netherlands don't drive and everyone cycles, but the truth is that it is a very car centric country (we are number 9 in the world in terms of road density, most above us are microstates except for Belgium). The fact of the matter is that in many places in the US the highways are simply extremely empty.

Also in Germany people drive in excess of 150mph on their highways and their fatality rate per billion kilometers is lower than the Netherlands, Belgium and the US. So the speed argument really holds no water.

I'm still going to say that the main contributing factors of the fatality rate in the US is road design without traffic calming and how easy it is to obtain a driver's license.

There is a permanent waterline that is created over time. Do you not notice thing about your surroundings that you see daily.
And the docks of the neighbors, also, as we have all lived here a long time. We have only noticed that since the City replaced the 4 ft. wide by 3 ft. deep ditch with a 14" dia. pipe and filled the rest of the ditch next to my place in, that the neighbors across the street (inland of me, I am on the water) flood frequently.
Naturally, that was decided to be done by the city engineers consulting with the Department of Natural Resources scientists. So they created their own flooding.
Brilliant.
The elderly lady that lives in & owns the place across the street says that when the City comes out, they say that it works as intended. I do not live in the City (It's across the street), so...

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. My country has the largest flood protection system in the world and they are constantly looking to the future to see what changes need to be made and they use 1.2 meters in 2100 and 4 meters in 2200 of sea level rise as their yard sticks. So we aren't looking at next year or last year, we are looking multiple decades ahead.

But flooding can be done on purpose, its one of the best ways to prevent flooding in more population dense areas. They are called floodplains. If you decide to live in one you are asking to get fucked.

 

[Bob from Florida]

Folks really need to "dial it back" some. We have gone way off topic here. The thread was started to talk about Milton and its effects delivered to its path. That has been accomplished - the storm is gone, aftereffects are still around and could be discussed. However, if the sniping about climate change continues, I would ask that the thread close.

 

[Koeitje]

Folks really need to "dial it back" some. We have gone way off topic here. The thread was started to talk about Milton and its effects delivered to its path. That has been accomplished - the storm is gone, aftereffects are still around and could be discussed. However, if the sniping about climate change continues, I would ask that the thread close.

If this doesn't lay bare the issue that Florida is facing I don't know what will. We can discuss the storm but not the underlying causes that increase the potency of said storm? If anything the effects of Milton should be for the state of Florida to take climate change seriously and invest in proper flood protection measures. Because Milton wasn't very strong in terms of winds (only a cat. 3 when it hit land), but it did bring with it a strong storm surge. That is exactly the thing Florida needs to prepare for. Not just for the next few years, but for the next centuries.

 

[BDWoody]

Folks really need to "dial it back" some. We have gone way off topic here. The thread was started to talk about Milton and its effects delivered to its path. That has been accomplished - the storm is gone, aftereffects are still around and could be discussed. However, if the sniping about climate change continues, I would ask that the thread close.

Done.