Which DAC measurements do you like to see next?

[gnat_leader]

always get suspicious when I see Mundorfs. Reeks of snake oil.

Well most things in audio are subjective but there has been a shit ton of listeners' opinions over many years about this subject: http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm

 

[gnat_leader]

People hi

Now, i'm sure mine are real ->

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It's a very good DAC with very good capabilities

Regards

Well now it looks like if (IF) they are fake they are very very good fakes!...
ie, the label has the three different colors in the text.
So they look real to me. Image from Sonicraft page.

 

[ICIETDIYEUR]

No.

Just that the ones you see in my picture are an 'upgrade' on my part and that these capacitors 'EVO OIL' MUNDORF come from AUDIOPHONICS: that's all

I might do a 'post' on my DAC DA10 when I finish my 'upgrades'...

Regards.

 

[gnat_leader]

No.

Just that the ones you see in my picture are an 'upgrade' on my part and that these capacitors 'EVO OIL' MUNDORF come from AUDIOPHONICS: that's all

Regards.

ah OK. So the original caps were fake then - that's what I thought.
I don't know much about audio circuits but does these output coupling caps mean that this is "single ended" preamp? eh, prob doesn't matter i'm just curious.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Well most things in audio are subjective but there has been a shit ton of listeners' opinions over many years about this subject: http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm

Sorry you are greatly misled. There is nothing the Mundorf does better than any other cap with identical specs. … and listener opinions (based on sighted tests) don’t count and plus there is nothing subjective about caps nor any of the other electronic components in audio. It’s all in your head and driven by manufacturers wanting to make money.

 

[ICIETDIYEUR]

That's your opinion (often the right one) and i have the mine

But it is true that manufacturers do not lack ideas to make money.

That is not the subject here.

 

[ICIETDIYEUR]

@ gnat_leader

These capacitors are used in 'decoupling' the output circuit by RCAs.
Their capacitive value is important because with the resistances in their vicinity they form a high-pass filter also whose frequency is calculated cut-off and which also involves a 'phase rotation' at the bottom of the sound spectrum, etc.

 

[gnat_leader]

...misled...listener opinions don’t count

OK. "music is all in my head" LOL, pure comedy.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

OK. "music is all in my head" LOL, pure comedy.

Why did you come to a forum which has science in the title when it’s all comedy to you and you would rather stick to your unfounded beliefs?

Or where is the evidence in support of your unlikely claims?

And why are none of the top performing amps and DACs are using clunky caps let alone the ones from Mundorf?

Just in case you are open to it afterall:

Audio Blind Testing - You Are Doing It Wrong! (Video)

Just uploaded a video on the basics of performing controlled tests in audio. It was motivated by saving myself text in having to write all of this down when telling someone who to do these tests right. And as a counter to a few online personalities to keep saying they do "blind" tests yet when...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[gnat_leader]

But it is true that manufacturers do not lack ideas to make money.

Yes, I agree about this.
But then you also have DIYers like yourself that can hear a difference even between inexpensive parts (like pic below) that has nothing to do with manufacturers.
Anyway, it has already been PROVEN in studies that people can hear the difference.
So I'm not gonna waste time arguing about it or trying to change somebody's mind.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Yes, I agree about this.
But then you also have DIYers like yourself that can hear a difference even between inexpensive parts (like pic below) that has nothing to do with manufacturers.
Anyway, it has already been PROVEN in studies that people can hear the difference.
So I'm not gonna waste time arguing about it or trying to change somebody's mind.

This study is so flawed (see the link above to blind testing) it is no evidence whatsoever. And science and engineering proofs it wrong.

 

[ICIETDIYEUR]

@HarmonicTHD

I've never written anything that goes without meaning or you write it.

(or you have misconceptions about me)

I'm also a technician and I don't believe in magic or the paranormal.

 

[gnat_leader]

Or where is the evidence in support of your unlikely claims?

here >> http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm

 

[HarmonicTHD]

here >> http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm

See above. The study is significantly flawed.

 

[gnat_leader]

This study is so flawed (see the link above to blind testing) it is no evidence whatsoever. And science and engineering proofs it wrong.

do what you want. As I said, not gonna argue about it. I have nothing to gain by trying to change your mind which is prob a futile endeavor anyway.

 

[ICIETDIYEUR]

Science 'proves' what it is capable of demonstrating today.

It is not an end in itself since it is constantly evolving.

'Nothing is permanent except change'

-Heraclitus-

 

[HarmonicTHD]

do what you want. As I said, not gonna argue about it. I have nothing to gain by trying to change your mind which is prob a futile endeavor anyway.

It s not about me. It is about other people reading the wrong info and go out buying stuff eg Mundorf which does nothing to objectively improve sound.

 

[ICIETDIYEUR]

We must know how to remain humble by using the term 'understanding' and therefore of its 'concepts'...

Humanity has just opened its eyes...... and still not both

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Science 'proves' what it is capable of demonstrating today.

It is not an end in itself since it is constantly evolving.

'Nothing is permanent except change'

-Heraclitus-

The science of amps and DACs is well understood nothing mystical here and can be considered a solved problem. Just look at the top amps and DACs reviewed on this site.

 

[ICIETDIYEUR]

You are sure of yourself it seems to me when writing this.

Good night (i live in France, sorry)