Where are the affordable competitors of trinnov

[dedobot]

When a company presents such power it usually comes with strong NDA's, patents, etc.
Even if one could get such a person it could be unusable.

Eventually some competition will emerge, for sure. But given the overall poor software support across the industry I'm not optimistic.
Companies probably don't want to pay the worth of the highly specialized people to run and maintain the chain.

In a ideal world band of ASW experts leave the military laboratory , forms audio company and gives us a spatial sound from a single speaker. Unfortunately In a real world this not going to end well.

 

[kemmler3D]

Companies probably don't want to pay the worth of the highly specialized people to run and maintain the chain.

People who understand real software development AND embedded systems AND audio at an advanced level are not super common. Getting separate people to do all 3 of those things and managing the product development isn't trivial either. We can count the companies that do this successfully on one, maybe two hands. And then if you also require someone to advance the state of the art in room correction... well, don't bother putting a job posting on LinkedIn, you will need to try harder than that.

 

[Jost Buergi]

I really want to have room correction that is so advanced as trinnov. At the same time the price is really really high . I wonder why there are no competitors using those lovely 3d microphones at cheaper prices. What is China doing ?

You could also look at Dirac Live or A1 Evo Neuron from OCA. The latter is a fast developing, very powerful freeware for Denon and Marantz AVRs (even some older models) so you can start for less than 1,000 €/$ including AVR and mic if you want to. Both offer „3D“ measurements and are ready for multichannel speaker setups.

 

[gnarly]

So today I had the luxury to have a sound engineer to come at my place. We did three tests:
1. Use the trinnov software with their 3d microphone
2. Use the minidsp with their calibrated microphone
3. Listen to my system as it was.

Hi, Curious....was the sound engineer a Trinnov dealer?
And what was the minidsp unit? Yours or theirs? Thx.

 

[tmuikku]

better placement

I can not move my speakers

hi, can you move yourself? if you can, move yourself closer to speakers and stereo sound improves dramatically as early reflections get more delay and attenuation in relation to direct sound. If you can move speakers closer to each other you should, experinent with toe-in. Put a temporary chair there when ever you feel like having a good listen as you save up on the trinnov system

 

[Chrispy]

You'd probably need a deep dive into alternatives for your own setups rather than ask a general question....

 

[rp86]

Hi, Curious....was the sound engineer a Trinnov dealer?
And what was the minidsp unit? Yours or theirs? Thx.

Not to mention was there any level-matched blind testing done?

 

[GXAlan]

Not to mention was there any level-matched blind testing done?

Interestingly, for home cinema, the calibration corrects to THX-reference level where 0 dB on the volume should average at 85 dB. So, unlike comparisons of hifi, it’s much easier to level match.

I am not sure why there is surprise that it sounds different. DSP isn’t a subtle change and each software manufacturer optimizes differently. The 3D remapping feature is one of the critical features of Trinnov in which it knows the 3D position of speakers.

 

[rp86]

Interestingly, for home cinema, the calibration corrects to THX-reference level where 0 dB on the volume should average at 85 dB. So, unlike comparisons of hifi, it’s much easier to level match.

That’s good to know, thank you. Assuming level matching was done in OP’s case, I am still curious if blind testing was done. I don’t doubt it sounds different (I use DSP myself), I’m more interested if it reliably sounds better when tested with blinding.

 

[Jimbob54]

Interestingly, for home cinema, the calibration corrects to THX-reference level where 0 dB on the volume should average at 85 dB. So, unlike comparisons of hifi, it’s much easier to level match.

I am not sure why there is surprise that it sounds different. DSP isn’t a subtle change and each software manufacturer optimizes differently. The 3D remapping feature is one of the critical features of Trinnov in which it knows the 3D position of speakers.

If it matters I believe this is a 2.1 music set up

 

[Oddball]

If it matters I believe this is a 2.1 music set up

There is absolutely nothing that 2.1 system has in common multichannel system. Say 9.4.6.

 

[Jimbob54]

There is absolutely nothing that 2.1 system has in common multichannel system. Say 9.4.6.

I know . I was pointing out this wasn't a home cinema set up to @GXAlan

 

[jpmomo]

I currently use the Trinnov Nova for 2.1 and it is relatively cheap compared to their other products and the rest of my components. You should be able to find everything needed for a 2.1 including the mic with the Nova for less than 5k.
That may still be too much for some folks but relatively cheap for others

 

[GXAlan]

I currently use the Trinnov Nova for 2.1 and it is relatively cheap compared to their other products and the rest of my components. You should be able to find everything needed for a 2.1 including the mic with the Nova for less than 5k.
That may still be too much for some folks but relatively cheap for others

If they launched a consumer grade Nova but with creature comforts like HDMI eARC instead of Dante (even if 2.x), it would be a pretty compelling alternative to an AVR and the Amethyst, in my opinion.

 

[jpmomo]

agreed. and I am even trying to bling it up a bit to make it fit in more with some proper hifi gear as opposed to pro audio thrown into a rack. Building a custom case based on the D'Agostino look!

 

[jpmomo]

my streamer, hifirose rs130 has video out which lets me play videos on the tv and rs130 screen simultaneously. the audio obviously goes threw the nova and out the rest of the system.

 

[sigbergaudio]

I didn’t find Trinnov offered that much of an advantage in terms of domestic audio, they were initially designed to allow to take his ‘acoustic’ to an unfamiliar space and re-create it.
Perhaps more of an advantage to ‘traditional’ loudspeaker designs.
Keith

I interestingly had a very knowledgable Trinnov customer say both

"Your system kind of sounds like it has Trinnov even though there is no room correction applied"

and

"I'm not sure your speakers would benefit that much from Trinnov."

He has the B&W 800 D3, and I find his system sounds more similar to say a Manta setup when Trinnov is enabled rather than disabled.

 

[sigbergaudio]

hi, can you move yourself? if you can, move yourself closer to speakers and stereo sound improves dramatically as early reflections get more delay and attenuation in relation to direct sound. If you can move speakers closer to each other you should, experinent with toe-in. Put a temporary chair there when ever you feel like having a good listen as you save up on the trinnov system

Why would he want to move the speakers closer together?

 

[tmuikku]

Why would he want to move the speakers closer together?

Hi, I tried to check why I would write that but could not recreate such chain of thought, so its a brain fart

Perhaps it was something like this: Listening with short enough listening distance to supress effect of early reflections there is no "extra width" to perceived stereo image, so one should adjust speaker spacing that makes width feel natural. Personally I have speakers bit wider than equilateral triangle to get natural width without effect of early reflections. If speakers are set for some "too far away" listening position, big listening triangle, then one would need to shrink the triangle to get good sound, shorten listening distance by moving oneself closer, and possibly bring speakers closer together to make width feel natural.