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What you need to know about the virus in China "2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)"

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carlob said:
LTig said:
You are correct, but it can also be seen the other way: taking the morbidity rate for granted (which is IMV not wrong when looking to Wuhan where the numbers seem to stailize) you can detuct that the number of infected people 14 days ago is in reality much higher than reported.
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exactly
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If you look at the latest numbers in wikipedia:
  • In Spain on March 19th 831 dead, on March 5th 282 infected persons: deathrate ~ 300% :eek:
  • In Italy on March 20th 4032 dead, on March 6th 4636 infected persons: deathrate > 100% :oops:
  • In Germany on March 21st 46 dead, on March 7th 795 infected persons: deathrate ~ 6%
Clearly the number of infected persons for Spain and Italy must be wrong by very large amount.
 
LTig said:
If you look at the latest numbers in wikipedia:
  • In Spain on March 19th 831 dead, on March 5th 282 infected persons: deathrate ~ 300% :eek:
  • In Italy on March 20th 4032 dead, on March 6th 4636 infected persons: deathrate > 100% :oops:
  • In Germany on March 21st 46 dead, on March 7th 795 infected persons: deathrate ~ 6%
Clearly the number of infected persons for Spain and Italy must be wrong by very large amount.
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https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3
 
Por enfermera del Hospital 12 de Octubre - By nurse of the Hospital October 12

En primera persona: "Hay 150 personas tosiendo en la sala de espera de urgencias"
[Spanish] https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2020-03-21/en-primera-persona_2510044/

First person: "There are 150 people coughing in the emergency waiting room"
https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2020-03-21/en-primera-persona_2510044/

[ My name is Maria and I am a nurse. I prefer that my last name does not appear, nor my photo, because I do not know what could happen. It is hard for me not to cry when talking about this, I spend the day crying, practically daily. Now I speak very quickly, I can't help it. I am desperate. We are desperate. I work in the Emergency Department of Hospital 12 de Octubre and I have the feeling that what we are experiencing is not reflected in the media. It's hard to imagine it. I never thought I would see something like that. And less in Spain... ]

[ And then there are people who are being left to die (...) Sorry, I can't contain myself, I start crying. We cannot serve everyone, there are no tubes or respirators, there are no beds for everyone. Patients must be dismissed, according to age or life expectancy. That has been going on this whole week. A few over 75 years are already intubating very few because it is necessary to leave room for young people who can survive. They all come the same: with very large bilateral pneumonias. And there are no tubes for everyone. We are not doing surgical operations, even serious ones. In the operating room even if you are 20 years old ... if you are not really dying you do not enter right now because there are no resources... ]

[ Older people are aware that you are not going to intubate it. My grandmother is already conscious, even though she is not sick. You know that if you need an intubation, you will not be intubated. My husband's uncle's mother was told from the first moment: that she was not going to be intubated. Families are given other explanations. That since she is very old, it is very traumatic for her. But it is not the reason. Before, if you needed a respirator, they would put it on. Doctors are not guilty, of course not, the issue is that there are no tubes. And if you have to intubate a 20-year-old boy ... then you have to choose. In Italy they say that 60-year-old patients were already dismissed. And beware, there are young people who have a bad record and are also dismissed even if they are 40 years old if their life expectancy is low. That is my day to day. I already tell you that we don't stop crying. If you can, put it in the newspaper. Unless it is known.

* María is a nurse in the Emergency Department of the Hospital 12 de Octubre in Madrid. The text is a redacted transcript of a phone conversation with her. ]
 
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Por enfermera del Hospital 12 de Octubre - By nurse of the Hospital October 12

En primera persona: "Hay 150 personas tosiendo en la sala de espera de urgencias"
[Spanish] https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2020-03-21/en-primera-persona_2510044/

First person: "There are 150 people coughing in the emergency waiting room"
https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2020-03-21/en-primera-persona_2510044/

[ My name is Maria and I am a nurse. I prefer that my last name does not appear, nor my photo, because I do not know what could happen. It is hard for me not to cry when talking about this, I spend the day crying, practically daily. Now I speak very quickly, I can't help it. I am desperate. We are desperate. I work in the Emergency Department of Hospital 12 de Octubre and I have the feeling that what we are experiencing is not reflected in the media. It's hard to imagine it. I never thought I would see something like that. And less in Spain... ]

[ And then there are people who are being left to die (...) Sorry, I can't contain myself, I start crying. We cannot serve everyone, there are no tubes or respirators, there are no beds for everyone. Patients must be dismissed, according to age or life expectancy. That has been going on this whole week. A few over 75 years are already intubating very few because it is necessary to leave room for young people who can survive. They all come the same: with very large bilateral pneumonias. And there are no tubes for everyone. We are not doing surgical operations, even serious ones. In the operating room even if you are 20 years old ... if you are not really dying you do not enter right now because there are no resources... ]

[ Older people are aware that you are not going to intubate it. My grandmother is already conscious, even though she is not sick. You know that if you need an intubation, you will not be intubated. My husband's uncle's mother was told from the first moment: that she was not going to be intubated. Families are given other explanations. That since she is very old, it is very traumatic for her. But it is not the reason. Before, if you needed a respirator, they would put it on. Doctors are not guilty, of course not, the issue is that there are no tubes. And if you have to intubate a 20-year-old boy ... then you have to choose. In Italy they say that 60-year-old patients were already dismissed. And beware, there are young people who have a bad record and are also dismissed even if they are 40 years old if their life expectancy is low. That is my day to day. I already tell you that we don't stop crying. If you can, put it in the newspaper. Unless it is known.

* María is a nurse in the Emergency Department of the Hospital 12 de Octubre in Madrid. The text is a redacted transcript of a phone conversation with her. ]
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Phew ... with such sad horrible news your avatar, I fear, is no longer approriate ... :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 
¿Cómo ha llegado España a esta situación?
[Spanish] https://www.larazon.es/salud/20200321/tj5s7ydoe5bt3k2ldsg4izmeae.html

Accumulated cases of contagion and forecast per million inhabitants

Spain
Italy

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La letalidad del coronavirus en España se sitúa en el 5 % de casos confirmados
[Spain] https://www.larazon.es/salud/20200321/dkfk2bsllnbv7cj2q3fjo5bqeu.html
 
Why would any hospital allow 150 persons with coughs into an ER waiting room??

You set up temp. buildings or even tents to pre-process all arrivals with spacing, surface disinfection, and if possible negative air flow.
 
Un centenar de científicos pide decretar ya un confinamiento total
[Spanish] https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2020/03/21/5e76480afc6c838a5f8b467e.html

A hundred scientists ask to decree total confinement
https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2020/03/21/5e76480afc6c838a5f8b467e.html

[ In the most affected areas with more than 25 cases per million inhabitants (Madrid, Castilla y León, Castilla-La Mancha, La Rioja, the Basque Country, Navarra and Catalonia) the closure of geographical areas and the total confinement of the residents, except for essential basic services (hospitals, health and research centers), for a period of 15-21 days.

In the rest of the zones, partial confinement like the current one would be allowed (50% of the allowed work activity and 25% of the transport). In any case, non-essential intercity traffic should be totally interrupted for at least 15 days (until April 4). ]

and...

[ Three weeks of attack and 2 months of maintenance

The researchers explain that this total confinement (or social distancing, depending on the geographical area) should go hand in hand with a three-week duration of intensifying the use of diagnostic tests in suspected cases and enabling hotels to isolate cases and not saturating them. health services, as well as enabling a channel for purchasing and supplying material.

In a second stage after these three weeks of "attack" on the epidemic, new measures should be established for two months to guarantee the end of the epidemic: increase the capacity of all laboratories to carry out diagnostic PCR tests, create a mobile application to self-assess covid-19 suspicions and facilitate data access to the scientific community to monitor spikes. ]
 
maty said:
Talking about masks, my choice after investigating:

Climax 1730 FFP3 NR
[Spanish] https://www.productosclimax.com/producto/1730/

[Spanish & English] [PDF] https://www.productosclimax.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2016_MASCARILLA-1730.pdf
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Nah you don't need FFP3, it only makes a difference when exposed in area at high concentration, else it makes no difference at all, it only add more drag, that makes you more uncomfortable and run your hands over it. So actually more risk.

Plus ventilation valve does not capture / filter your exhaled air, we call them "the selfish mask"
 
you will want eye protection too

and practice at thorough hand washing
 
andymok said:
Nah you don't need FFP3, it only makes a difference when exposed in area at high concentration, else it makes no difference at all, it only add more drag, that makes you more uncomfortable and run your hands over it. So actually more risk.

Plus ventilation valve does not capture / filter your exhaled air, we call them "the selfish mask"
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Plus I need them for work ( what they are designed for) so please don't buy those ones .
 
For the use I give you you are right. But if one day I have to go to a place as dangerous now as a hospital. So I would use a new one and then throw it away, not wipe it down with alcohol for reuse. The same with nitrile gloves.

In half an hour I am away I make sure not to touch the mask. I know how to put it on and take it off, the same with gloves. I have already commented other times, regarding the audio, that I am one of those who read the manuals before.

In a little while I will go to throw the garbage. I will not wear a mask or gloves. When I return, in addition to the soap, I will clean the keys (metal) with a bleach + detergent (brand: Estrella) spray diluted with water.

The washing machine at 60º with a little appropriate bleach.

Eyes, I have glasses.
 
Feels like we've had seven years of partying and now there is the possibility of seven years of plague. Instead of Moses we got you know who. It takes a while and purposeful observation and reflection to get you head to accept a big change or new situation.
 
If you ever need to reuse mask, go for half-face respirator instead. Indeed hardcore, could try full-face and do some fall-out lol

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