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What you need to know about the virus in China "2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)"
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The original google reports are here, with additional explanations
https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
They are only tracking if you have location history turned on...
"Insights in these reports are created with aggregated, anonymized sets of data from users who have turned on the Location History setting, which is off by default. People who have Location History turned on can choose to turn it off at any time from their Google Account and can always delete Location History data directly from their Timeline. "
Adrian
What I find interesting is the Mexico data.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...ow-response-coronavirus-texas-us-15181201.php
Mexico’s slow response to coronavirus has implications for Texas, U.S.
Lopez Obrador spent the first half of March dismissing the gravity of the virus, encouraging Mexicans to frequent restaurants and posting videos of himself in crowds, kissing babies. He said Mexico’s spirituality would protect the country against the virus and made a public display of pulling out two religious amulets that he said would be his shield.
His populist government hesitated to impose strict social distancing and stay-at-home orders, in part because vast numbers of poor rely on daily income from jobs such as street sweeping or selling tacos at a corner stand. Lopez Obrador rose to power in large part by championing the causes of impoverished Mexican villages and urban poor.
Some quotes from the article. Yet the 'cellphone data' seems to indicate that Mexicans are smarter than their President.
maty
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Last week, 26% now 31% !!!
https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20200407/coronavirus-espana-ultimas-noticias-7817968
[ 18:42 One of every three deceased in Catalonia are residents in nursing homes
31.3% of the 2,908 deaths so far in Catalonia - 909 until last night - are elderly people who lived in nursing homes, where the situation does not improve despite the evacuation of some residents to isolate them and the arrival of new protective material for caregivers. If the slowdown in the spread of the virus has slightly eased the pressure in Catalan hospitals, in nursing homes they do not stop adding deaths, despite efforts to isolate the elderly with transfers, which some families have decided to take home and disinfection carried out by firefighters, UME and companies contracted by the Generalitat. ]
Earlier I read in another newspaper that the Spanish Ministry of Health has asked all the autonomous communities to provide the exact data on what happened in the residences, since supervision corresponds to them (CC.AA).
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Límite 24 horas: Illa obliga a las CCAA a revelar los fallecidos en sus residencias
24-hour limit: Illa obliges the CCAA to reveal the deceased in their residences
[Spanish] https://www.lainformacion.com/asunt...fallecidos-intervencion-sanidad-illa/6557563/
Me: someone has been falsifying the data. The Ministry of Health, very dismantled for having transferred the powers, is limited to adding the data it receives, so it is probably the autonomies, of all political signs, that are responsible.
https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20200407/coronavirus-espana-ultimas-noticias-7817968
[ 18:42 One of every three deceased in Catalonia are residents in nursing homes
31.3% of the 2,908 deaths so far in Catalonia - 909 until last night - are elderly people who lived in nursing homes, where the situation does not improve despite the evacuation of some residents to isolate them and the arrival of new protective material for caregivers. If the slowdown in the spread of the virus has slightly eased the pressure in Catalan hospitals, in nursing homes they do not stop adding deaths, despite efforts to isolate the elderly with transfers, which some families have decided to take home and disinfection carried out by firefighters, UME and companies contracted by the Generalitat. ]
Earlier I read in another newspaper that the Spanish Ministry of Health has asked all the autonomous communities to provide the exact data on what happened in the residences, since supervision corresponds to them (CC.AA).
Update
Límite 24 horas: Illa obliga a las CCAA a revelar los fallecidos en sus residencias
24-hour limit: Illa obliges the CCAA to reveal the deceased in their residences
[Spanish] https://www.lainformacion.com/asunt...fallecidos-intervencion-sanidad-illa/6557563/
Me: someone has been falsifying the data. The Ministry of Health, very dismantled for having transferred the powers, is limited to adding the data it receives, so it is probably the autonomies, of all political signs, that are responsible.
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maty
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https://www.lainformacion.com/asunt...-muertos-registro-no-cuentan-sanidad/6557400/
[ Castilla La Mancha has become the 'Spanish Wuhan'. A region with a little over two million inhabitants has 10,602 infections and 1,142 deaths, according to Health. But, the civil registry reports could double the figure. The entity's data shows that deaths in March 2020 have increased 96.3% compared to the same period of the previous year, and that 57.9% of these have been safely or probably attributed to Covid-19.
The first fatality in the area was detected on March 12. It was an 82-year-old woman based in Albacete who died when only 115 cases had been identified throughout the autonomy. The curve grew fast. At six days, 46 were deceased; on March 20, 62; and this Monday, 1,132. Thus, the CCAA has become the second with a higher proportion of deaths, only below Madrid... ]
Sanidad dio a todas las CCAA las mismas instrucciones para contar muertos por el coronavirus que a Castilla-La Mancha
[Spanish] https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2020/04/07/5e8c38b1fc6c83204d8b45e7.html
Health gave all CCAAs the same instructions to count dead by the coronavirus as to Castilla-La Mancha
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2020/04/07/5e8c38b1fc6c83204d8b45e7.html
[ In an email sent on April 1 by the Ministry of Health to the Ministry of Health of Castilla-La Mancha - held by this newspaper, the Government provides you with a table again to account for all the data (contagions, income in UCI, deceased...) and explains in detail what data is to be entered in each table... ]
[ The Ministry that runs Salvador Illa therefore determined that to measure the evolution of the pandemic only those confirmed by Covid-19 fatalities, not those suspected or likely by coronavirus infection, would be counted as fatalities of Covid-19. ]
[ Following the same reasoning as the High Court of Justice of Castilla-La Mancha, the 13,798 coronavirus deaths accounted for to date [Spain] could actually be between 27,000 and 41,000 killed by Covid-19. ]
[ In Madrid city, for example, between 15 and 31 March 2020, 5,950 people died, almost six times more than in the same period last year, when 1,100 died, according to regional government data. ]
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To repeat yet again, there is currently a limited supply of HCQ. In order to make certain it does not run out before more is available, having a state distribute that supply among the various hospitals and then letting doctors at the hospitals chose when to prescribe is a good way to manage that supply, to make certain it gets used with patients that need it most. As a side benefit, it's also an easier way to collect data on its usage and success rate.
What's so difficult to understand about that?
I'm also not clear on what your standard is for giving it to patients "before they have to be hospitalized." What will prevent many people from getting a prescription who would otherwise be fine without any treatment? Until there is a stable supply of HCQ to cover all hospital needs, we need to minimize giving it to patients who can recuperate at home without it. Thus, needing to be in a hospital is one litmus test to avoid that.
Was digging into the update notes for the current preferred model, and found this very interesting chart.
Hopefully as they get the data dialed in they can better help the people coming in.
There's a link to the rest of this PDF on this site:
http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates
I just wish people around here would do more of the simple things to reduce the chances of spreading it. Work has still done very little and hasn't setup any procedures to reduce the chances of spreading it either between employees or to/from customers. They don't seem to realize that the less they do the longer this will drag on and the more it will hurt.
People at the grocery store on the weekend were doing exactly what they said they were afraid people would do once they started wearing masks. They'd walk right up in front of you to get something.
We go out for walks in the evening in a rural area and will give very wide areas around other people (crossing the street or walking in the road) but have noticed more people that aren't likely related or living together walking/running very closely with each other. I'm seeing more people stop and stand 1-2 feet away to talk to each other. I'm afraid as the weather gets back into the 70-80 degree range and people get tired of being cooped up we are going to see a lot of people 'forgetting' what they are not supposed to be doing.
We just aren't a society that is accustomed to making sacrifices for the greater good and the "but I want to do this" may start winning out over the "I know I shouldn't"
People at the grocery store on the weekend were doing exactly what they said they were afraid people would do once they started wearing masks. They'd walk right up in front of you to get something.
We go out for walks in the evening in a rural area and will give very wide areas around other people (crossing the street or walking in the road) but have noticed more people that aren't likely related or living together walking/running very closely with each other. I'm seeing more people stop and stand 1-2 feet away to talk to each other. I'm afraid as the weather gets back into the 70-80 degree range and people get tired of being cooped up we are going to see a lot of people 'forgetting' what they are not supposed to be doing.
We just aren't a society that is accustomed to making sacrifices for the greater good and the "but I want to do this" may start winning out over the "I know I shouldn't"
Texas has 154 fatalities; Mexico has 60. Texas’ population is 29 million. Mexico’s population is 129 million. So clearly, Mexico is a threat to the US. OK, got it.
The article contains a lot of coverage of Mexico's response, e.g. Deputy Health Minister Hugo Lopez Gatell, who two weeks ago dismissed social distancing restrictions as “an extreme tactic” is now urging citizens to “stay at home, stay at home, stay at home.” and describes how millions of people cross the border in a year. The risk, to both countries, is of the disease crossing the border (either way). The threat is the same as all over the world right now: travel spreading the disease and further overwhelming the health care system.
Our workplace began to shut down before our governor ordered it and when the "stay home" order came out we were already in that mode. It has been a mixed blessing; many of us (like me) still have to go into the lab since it is impractical to haul test equipment home. There is of course pressure to keep productivity up and meet release dates so we have moved to split shifts to better separate people (trying to keep fewer than 10% of staff in the building at one time). The result is I typically work from 5 or 6 am until 9 or 10 pm as I have an early on-site slot, work from home in the afternoon, then have late afternoon and early afternoon status meetings, followed by evening work to prepare for my lab slot the next day.
Edit: Wife just found out she's working tomorrow (had a day off -- works through Saturday this week). Our kids are out of the house and she is helping cover for people with kids at home who don't have anyplace for them to go when working. One couple is doctor/doctor, another doctor/nurse, so juggling work schedules while trying to home-school (or just watch) the kids gets "interesting". I have friends who are doing the same thing; glad our kids are (mostly) able to take care of themselves but wishing they were home.
Mix of people around here, also a mix of small-town and rural area... We have a large retired group, many (probably mostly) ex-military, so they are by and large following the orders and recommendations. OTOH the parks in Colorado Springs (about 20 miles south and where I work) are still getting groups walking without masks, playing in groups, and all that jazz. The message has been hard to get to our "invincible" youth and convince them of the risk they pose to others. A number of news conferences and such seem to be helping, and the recent death of some younger folk may have sobered some of them up. Maybe.
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maty
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Los datos de entierros en Madrid [CC.AA] apuntan que las muertes por coronavirus pueden ser 3.000 más que las de la estadística oficial by Reyes Rincón | Elena G. Sevillano
[Spanish] https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04...ue-la-estadistica-oficial-de-coronavirus.html
Burial data in Madrid [CC.AA] indicate that coronavirus deaths may be 3,000 more than those in the official statistics by Reyes Rincón | Elena G. Sevillano
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04-07/los-datos-de-entierros-en-madrid-destapan-hasta-3000-muertes-mas-que-la-estadistica-oficial-de-coronavirus.html
[ The official number of deaths in Madrid [CC.AA] since the start of the pandemic is 5,321. To compare this figure with that provided by the High Court of Justice, official coronavirus deaths prior to 14 March (213) and those after 31 of that month (1,669, according to the parties it disseminates daily Health) should be subtracted from that total, which would yield a total of 3,439 deaths in Madrid officially attributed to the pandemic in the second half of March. This is almost half of the 6,613 more burial licences signed by Community judges in those days compared to the same period of 2019, indicating that there may be up to 3,000 deaths in Madrid from coronavirus not listed in the official statistic... ]
[ The reports of the Carlos III Institute warn that the observed death data are provisional. The system feeds on deaths reporting computerized civil records to the Ministry of Justice. "It should be noted that at the moment the delay between the date of death and the notification date is increasing," he adds.
The increase in deaths as the spread of the virus has advanced, overflowing civil records, which are responsible for registering deaths and issuing burial licenses. Records are saturated and deaths take time to enter statistics... ]
What El País, a pro-government medium, omits is that only account positive cases reported in hospitals, ignoring the others. Professional journalism by Reyes Rincón | Elena G. Sevillano.
[Spanish] https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04...ue-la-estadistica-oficial-de-coronavirus.html
Burial data in Madrid [CC.AA] indicate that coronavirus deaths may be 3,000 more than those in the official statistics by Reyes Rincón | Elena G. Sevillano
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04-07/los-datos-de-entierros-en-madrid-destapan-hasta-3000-muertes-mas-que-la-estadistica-oficial-de-coronavirus.html
[ The official number of deaths in Madrid [CC.AA] since the start of the pandemic is 5,321. To compare this figure with that provided by the High Court of Justice, official coronavirus deaths prior to 14 March (213) and those after 31 of that month (1,669, according to the parties it disseminates daily Health) should be subtracted from that total, which would yield a total of 3,439 deaths in Madrid officially attributed to the pandemic in the second half of March. This is almost half of the 6,613 more burial licences signed by Community judges in those days compared to the same period of 2019, indicating that there may be up to 3,000 deaths in Madrid from coronavirus not listed in the official statistic... ]
[ The reports of the Carlos III Institute warn that the observed death data are provisional. The system feeds on deaths reporting computerized civil records to the Ministry of Justice. "It should be noted that at the moment the delay between the date of death and the notification date is increasing," he adds.
The increase in deaths as the spread of the virus has advanced, overflowing civil records, which are responsible for registering deaths and issuing burial licenses. Records are saturated and deaths take time to enter statistics... ]
What El País, a pro-government medium, omits is that only account positive cases reported in hospitals, ignoring the others. Professional journalism by Reyes Rincón | Elena G. Sevillano.
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https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/04/06/denver-doctor-coronavirus-hydroxycholoroquine/
Yes, this terrible Denver doctor is prescribing HCQ to his out patients, and apparently with some positive results. But, no, let's not do that; better to let them progress until they have to be admitted.
Yes, this terrible Denver doctor is prescribing HCQ to his out patients, and apparently with some positive results. But, no, let's not do that; better to let them progress until they have to be admitted.
gikigill
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If he goes on 14lt that indicates he has has developed COPD.
What is with you? Let it go, man...
Why should I let it go? Why shouldn't you "let it go"? Potentially being able to keep some number of covid-19 patients out of the hospital is a big deal.
People here are practically demonizing anyone who does not adhere to the establishment orthodoxy about the best way to address this virus. And I thought the purpose of this thread was to discuss information that is out there on this epidemic. Or, perhaps, is this thread reserved only for those who adhere to one particular take on the use of HCQ? It seems that there is a linear relationship between the amount of new reports of HCQ effectiveness and the level of opposition to its use.
Because you aren't providing any information. You're evangalizing. I'm not sure what your goal is here - how are we at ASR involved in the use or non-use of HCQ? Basically, we're in the situation we're in - waiting to see whether the evidence will mount that HCQ is effective, or whether it will continue to be inconclusive. Nobody here can change that, so you continuing to rail about it becomes a distraction.
My home: Red figures are Cases per 1 million population. For reference, Spain is 3,028 and Catalonia is 3,726.
Mortality in Illinois rose 24% today.
Mortality in Illinois rose 24% today.
gikigill
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The trouble with HCQ is that its not well tested for COVID19.
It also has the potential for cardiac trouble so to save someone from COVID19 and then let them later die of cardiac trouble is not really a cure.
The French researcher got good results because he excluded those who didnt respond well to the treatment which gives a false impression that it works on a majority. Its easy to score a 100 on a test if you ignore all the incorrect answers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3760572/
It also has the potential for cardiac trouble so to save someone from COVID19 and then let them later die of cardiac trouble is not really a cure.
The French researcher got good results because he excluded those who didnt respond well to the treatment which gives a false impression that it works on a majority. Its easy to score a 100 on a test if you ignore all the incorrect answers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3760572/
Honestly, you don't seem to be reading anybody else's posts, even when they clearly say doctors are desperately giving HCQ to try to save people ("try anything") or reasons why it can't be handed out like Halloween candy.
Okay, I guess I was mistaken that people here would want to be informed of what was going on in the treatment of this virus. Maybe I was mistaken. With respect, how is a legitimate news story "not information"? Perhaps you should log a complaint with the news station for informing the public of what is going on. If you don't agree with what a doctor is doing, that's fine. Just explain why you disagree with what he is doing. Lots of people, even in medicine, disagree with how many illnesses are treated by various doctors.
As to your point about "waiting to see whether the evidence will mount", the people who are now seriously ill with this virus do not have time for your "evidence" to "mount", if by that you mean randomized, double blind trials. Those will take weeks or months to be conducted. Meanwhile, reports of success with HCQ continue to mount, both in hospital and out. Also, much of the standard of care that is employed in some infectious diseases has NOT been garnered via large, controlled and randomized clinical trials. Actually, at some point, as the evidence of positive outcomes with a particular medication grows, it will no longer be ethical to deny that medication to study patients, which means that you could not do a comparative clinical trial anyway.
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