What you need to know about the virus in China "2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)"

[digicidal]

Just leave your phone at home mate.

Or just get yourself one of these... although it still enables tracking on some level (as every cellphone does) but no telemetry & identifiable data such as number of steps taken, modes of transportation used, memberships and account profiles, stores frequented, etc.

 

[Martin]

I find it ironic that people posting on open forums are concerned about privacy.

Martin

 

[gikigill]

The more wealthy likely have higher rates of international travel (and also associate more with other people who do as well) and thus likely face a greater risk of infection.

The wealthy in Australia were behaving as if their money would make them immune from the virus.

The shops and markets in richer areas were trading full on as of nothing had happened.

The Western suburbs which are considered to be the blue collar suburbs have actually been well shielded while the Inner East which is the the 1% suburbs is the most heavily infected.

 

[maty]

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We are all experiencing events of unprecedented magnitude. A disease that knows no boundaries. strikes rich and poor and has us or some of us, reassess our lives and even what we believe are our rights.

Am I one of the few to find this tracking, dangerous, dystopian, scary? I knew it but being reminded of how much a private, commercial entity knows about us, scares the bejesus out of me. I find this beyond unsettling. Today this is for good, for our health , to track us so that this pandemic can become less lethal... When will that stop, be curtailed , be controlled? This data about our whereabouts, our life, our privacy? What will they make of this and similar data? Keep it for the good of us?

Nor should we exaggerate. In developed countries a limited number of people will die and there will be a severe economic depression for a time. In EU, states will protect their populations.

The problem will be in the least developed countries.

 

[Liberal Democracy]

Nope, maybe the collequism is not well-translated in Texas. "Willy-nilly" is giving it to everyone without assessing their risk factors or taking into account how another, sicker, patient might benefit more from its use. Particularly given its limited supply. My wife works at a local hospital, and was working ICU (RD, not RN) when the first death from COVID-19 happened here, so don't assume I am completely ignorant or uncaring. We live daily under fear she'll get the disease; she has already been exposed when a patient had it and was not tested positive until two weeks later. Fortunately our risk factors are not high but it is almost inevitable that we will get the disease.

You might not be aware that the dosage being suggested for COVID-19 is much higher than a "normal" administration. I am not a doctor but I did speak with one about it.

Whatever - Don

Where did you get ' willy nilly ' from Don ? I assumed this was a English thing .

 

[nm4711]

Germany has more as well, makes me suspicious of the data quality. I've seen a lot more people walking about locally that I would normally, on a standard walk I do, but they are obeying the UK rules, and getting exercise. So pedestrian movement is up around me, but the rules are being obeyed.

I've made similar observations here in Germany too. There are alot more pedestrians outside, but most people keep the distance to each other.

 

[MediumRare]

America, what the actual @#$%!?

 

[MediumRare]

Am I one of the few to find this tracking, dangerous, dystopian, scary? I knew it but being reminded of how much a private, commercial entity knows about us, scares the bejesus out of me. I find this beyond unsettling. Today this is for good, for our health , to track us so that this pandemic can become less lethal... When will that stop, be curtailed , be controlled? This data about our whereabouts, our life, our privacy? What will they make of this and similar data? Keep it for the good of us?

As long as it is truly aggregated and annonymized, the value of this type of data as a sociological tool is transformative (in a good way).

OTOH, give the scope for abuse at the individual level, this genie is truly out of the bottle unless the US asserts Federal limitations on data usage/privacy, minimally along the lines of what Europe has imposed.

 

[DonH56]

Well, maybe it doesn't translate into CO, but I'm not aware of anyone advocating for "giving it to everyone without assessing their risk factors". Seems like you are back to the "willy-nilly" thing. Do you really think doctors would do that? Also, the supply is ramping up now, so I don't know how much longer it is going to be legitimate to keep preventing community physicians from prescribing HCQ for appropriate patients.

I never said that, nor implied it. You are misinterpreting my statements, probably would never have happened face-to-face. "Appropriate administration" is perfectly fine with me, not that it matters. My comments applied to people (not doctors, and not necessarily you, I do not know you) advocating mass administration of HCQ as a preventative. Gleaned mainly from my brief glance at the evening news -- one segment had several people, likely not doctors, advocating (screaming) for the gov't to "inoculate" everyone. I posted after seeing that. I have not been following this thread, just check in now and then, and obviously need to stay the hell away.

That said, I thank your wife, and you, so much for all she is doing to help save these patients, while I sit here at home. I am aware how many providers have themselves contracted the virus, and I very much hope that she does not. It is my hope that increased usage of HCQ, zinc, and other modalities in the out patient setting will mitigate the degree of illness in some number of patients, such that they do not require hospitalization, and decrease the burden on the hospital system.

Thank you. Zinc helps. A trumpet forum I help moderate had one member saying holding silver horns would help; obviously, the difference between holding a silver-plated horn and colloidal silver slipped past him... My wife and I are spending more time reading (well, she is, I am usually working all hours) and avoiding the TV because of all the misinformation out there.

DONH56 in a post just before had said that the dose suggested for COVID-19 was much higher, so if a higher dosage is needed, then that is a factor for why it is not helping lupus patients who are already on it?

I don't know anything about lupus and am not a doctor. I was told that by one my wife works with.

Where did you get ' willy nilly ' from Don ? I assumed this was a English thing .

My grandparents, especially grandmother (along with "going off half-cocked", a reference to not being ready to shoot a firearm), and/or maybe some old books? I have been using the phrase "all my life" so don't really know. I picked up a lot of phrases whilst living with my grandparents in college (40+ years ago). She was a former schoolteacher and rather intolerant of college-kid stupidity. Or grandfather-aged stupidity, for that matter. She used to say "old age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes it just turns young fools into old fools". Usually after grandfather (a "scamp") did something "questionable". Learned a lot from both of them, though often in a completely opposite way.

Here's an online definition -- I had the second in mind though use both now and then.

wil·ly-nil·ly /ˌwilēˈnilē/ adverb

1. whether one likes it or not.
   "he would be forced to collaborate willy-nilly"
   
   
2. without direction or planning; haphazardly.
   "expanding programs willy-nilly"
   

 

[gikigill]

With apologies to the British members here, I don't think PM Boris is in good shape and the news coming out of Downing Street and its cryptic nature isn't inspiring confidence either.

Not assuming the worst yet but it's not looking positive. Stay strong my Brit brothers and sisters.

 

[MarcT]

With apologies to the British members here, I don't think PM Boris is in good shape and the news coming out of Downing Street and its cryptic nature isn't inspiring confidence either.

Not assuming the worst yet but it's not looking positive. Stay strong my Brit brothers and sisters.

The report I just heard was that he was receiving oxygen, but has not had to be intubated. Hope that is correct.

 

[Liberal Democracy]

With apologies to the British members here, I don't think PM Boris is in good shape and the news coming out of Downing Street and its cryptic nature isn't inspiring confidence either.

Not assuming the worst yet but it's not looking positive. Stay strong my Brit brothers and sisters.

No offense taken or apology required, he's had 4lt of oxygen. There's no cryptic message, the lust for information is what it is.

Hopefully he stays off incubation, I believe once you end up there your chances of survival are 50/50.

I'm more worried and concerned about the NHS staff that have died and the lack of testing and PPE.

That's not a political issue , it's a civil service issue imo.

Thanks for the thought .

 

[gikigill]

The 4lt of oxygen is the worrying part. That is the equivalent of approximately 35% oxygen mix which is almost double what we need.

 

[gikigill]

The report I just heard was that he was receiving oxygen, but has not had to be intubated. Hope that is correct.

The intubation part is not clear and the cause of confusion. The official sources are not issuing any useful information either and the midday briefing tomorrow should hopefully clarify things.

Considering the amount of oxygen he has been fed, he is very likely to be under intubation.

 

[Liberal Democracy]

The 4lt of oxygen is the worrying part. That is the equivalent of approximately 35% oxygen mix which is almost double what we need.

14/15 is the point where it's intubation territory. As far as the NHS and UK are concerned.

What's worrying me is this idea the pattern of disease within individuals and its trajectory is somehow linear.. it's not . The press are making all sorts of assumptions based on this.



Oh well.

 

[pozz]

What's worrying me is this idea the pattern of disease within individuals and its trajectory is somehow linear.. it's not . The press are making all sorts of assumptions based of this.

Good point.

 

[Soniclife]

What's worrying me is this idea the pattern of disease within individuals and its trajectory is somehow linear.. it's not . The press are making all sorts of assumptions based of this.

Not just the press, the government advice is based on 7 days then you are expected to be OK to go out, I don't know anyone who has had it who is OK after 7 days, and the symptoms come back after a few days of being seeming to be OK.

 

[QMuse]

Or just get yourself one of these... although it still enables tracking on some level (as every cellphone does)

Phone location data is gethered by operator from location updates that every GSM phone is sending over SS7 (control protocl for GSM networks). Collecting SS7 logs is part of network monitoring procedures and operators don't use the location data for any purpose unless requested by governement or by user to provide lcoation based services.

Phone you linked, or any other phone attached to the GSM network will regularly send lcoation updates via SS7 (or any equivalent protocol operator is using) to the network, so you can't really hide from the network unless you switch it off or leave it at home.

 

[Liberal Democracy]

Not just the press, the government advice is based on 7 days then you are expected to be OK to go out, I don't know anyone who has had it who is OK after 7 days, and the symptoms come back after a few days of being seeming to be OK.

It's all part of the behaviour management, they don't know . They say they don't know but also mix in some of this ' knowing ' stuff so we all play nice and respect the pillars of authority and I guess civilised society.

Its for our own good.

 

[Lao Lu]

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We are all experiencing events of unprecedented magnitude. A disease that knows no boundaries. strikes rich and poor and has us or some of us, reassess our lives and even what we believe are our rights.

Am I one of the few to find this tracking, dangerous, dystopian, scary? I knew it but being reminded of how much a private, commercial entity knows about us, scares the bejesus out of me. I find this beyond unsettling. Today this is for good, for our health , to track us so that this pandemic can become less lethal... When will that stop, be curtailed , be controlled? This data about our whereabouts, our life, our privacy? What will they make of this and similar data? Keep it for the good of us?

It would be nice if they included a number to call in case we get lost...