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What you need to know about the virus in China "2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)"

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solderdude said:
In essence this will continue till the vast majority of the population is innoculated. It looks like this may take a year or so at least. Then the whole world must also be given this vaccin.
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Lungs filled with debris and fluids, it's literally like drowning.

One good point made by our doctors is, if you couldn't get hold onto a mask already, even when the vaccines are finally made available, what makes you think you'll get vaccinated anytime soon?

I guess the biggest guarantee is to just behave ourselves.
 
I had not been out since Saturday morning. 50 minutes out, three shops. In the third I have waited fifteen minutes on the street. In the first two there were no eggs. In the latter, limited to three clients within. Hydrogel upon entry mandatory.

Sandwich bread is also scarce. Everything else perfect in the three food shops.

Before putting on the nitrile gloves reused a second time, wash with soap. Stalls, outside with bleach (spray, mixed with water).

On the way back, I wash gloves again with bleach. Soapy water in the hands. Alcohol (spray) to clean the metal parts (knobs, keys) and payment card. I went out without a mobile, so I did not have to clean it with alcohol.

My forecast is almost three months locked up -> hence the reuse of the FFP3 mask and nitrile gloves.
 
DuxServit said:
In Spain: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...ple-dead-in-beds-coronavirus-worsens/12084892

‘Residents of Spanish nursing homes have been found abandoned or dead in their beds as the country's coronavirus outbreak worsens, according to the nation's Defence Minister.”
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You are right. The mistake has been not communicating the name of the residences and the number of deaths, with which the entire sector has been harmed. Furthermore, the dead in the residences cannot be touched, they must come from outside to collect them, duly equipped.

That is, very little information, without detailing -> causes alarm. 24 hours have passed and there are no further explanations, which is the worst, because we can all be wrong but in these cases the rectification must be quick.
 
andymok said:
One good point made by our doctors is, if you couldn't get hold onto a mask already, even when the vaccines are finally made available, what makes you think you'll get vaccinated anytime soon?
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I should think it would be somewhat difficult for anxious individuals to hoard vaccine, depending on the distribution methods of the locality in question.

Masks, on the other hand, were, at least initially, on store shelves for the taking.
 
Increased my use of this, go get one before hoarders discover it ... ;-)

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Willem said:
My friend the senior intensive care specialist was troubled by the high ICU mortality rate he observed in e.g Italy and wondered if they are not admitting too many hopeless cases.
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Well, firstly press around the world said that we were prioritizing young people at the expense of old ones, now seems that we admit too much hopeless cases. Reality is that in Lumbardy they are working to admit everyone so nobody is denied assistance. They repurpoted a dismissed building in 6 days to become a covid unit with additional 500 icu beds and still working to increase capacity (as of yesterday they went from about 520 icu beds to 1500 and still growing)
 
Scenes from the desert:

Fortunately, we are not in lockdown, though a concert I was really looking forward to (Martin Barre) is canceled, and we've lost our reservations at our favorite restaurant. If that's the worst I have to contend with, I consider myself lucky.

Flu continues to be a much larger problem here than Wuhan virus.

If our governor joins the panic, our business isn't affected since construction trades are considered "vital."

The local Chinese grocers are doing a booming business, no-one seems spooked.

Because most other entertainment has been shut down, the hiking trails have been packed.
 
maty said:
http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/

Warm Countries [per million inhabitants, log scale]

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I don't get how they align those trends.
Everybody seems to agree that the official confirmed cases numbers are dependent of the number of tests that are performed.
Germany is said to test >20000 per day, while Belgium is around 2000 and France around 4000 (probably more today)
So comparison based on those "measurements" seem... dangerous.
 
maty said:
http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/

Warm Countries [per million inhabitants, log scale]
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I reiterate that all this sort of data is delayed, non-statistical and highly affected by changing sample rates. But especially in this group you've got significant variation in national health system function.

India is so crazy far out of the norm in any cases / million metric that it really looks like data quality issues.
 
BDWoody said:
I think we've more increased the capacity of those money makers, than decreased anything in terms of beds per capita. With the reductions or elimination of all elective surgeries, hopefully fewer car crashes, etc...a lot of the normal ICU traffic *should* be reduced. The U.S. seems to have by far the highest ratio of icu beds per capita, based on an earlier referenced summary, which should allow us to absorb higher waves than others might before it gets into battlefield triage types of decisions.
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The reasons why are obviously complicated, and way above my pay grade...but there is a huge proportion of a person's lifetime total cost packed into those last few days/weeks/months in an ICU, and saying goodbye to terminal loved ones a few days/weeks/months earlier might make our overall costs go way down

For a time like this, I'm glad we have every one of them.
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In 2017, Germany had 28031 ICU beds in hospitals. For a population of 83 million, that makes 33.8 ICU beds per 100k.

Per capita health care cost in 2017 was 4544€ or $4908 (as of today).

Life expectancy (at birth) in 2017 was 81.1 years.
 
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Dave Zan said:
Since 1st March the US numbers look almost perfectly exponential.
There is no hint that the curve has flattened.
At this rate there will be ~100 million cases within a month.
That would mean probably more than 1 million fatalities.
The curve must flatten eventually, of course, if only because practically everyone is infected.
But since it hasn't even started to flatten yet may I ask what was the point of your post?

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Unfortunately, we have leaders who do not believe what is happening in NYC could happen everywhere. They don't understand (or don't care) that while NYC might have a higher transmission rate due to urban population density, use of mass transit, and being a major airline hub, exponential growth wins in the end if you do little or nothing.

I think Florida will be the next major crisis zone. Not only do they have an estimated population of 21% 65+ and older, they also have a high influx of retired people this time of year who come to stay the winter. I lived in Fort Lauderdale for five years when I was younger, and the increase in the retired population from October to April was always noticeable. I'd be surprised if many of those people have left given the mixed messages they have been getting from the government.
 
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