What Speakers Would You Like Amir To Measure Next?

[Marin]

I really don't understand how Elac's debut FIRST series was never measured, and those are real diamonds in the rough.
Any, but maybe a B5 or F5 small three-way towers!
I bought these recently and they replace Harbeth 30(25 Anniversary)
I couldn't be happier.
I pay 350 Euro for Elac debut F5 here in Europe in mint condition.
I now crazy price for these speakers considering I sold Harbeth for 2,500 EU and paid for almost the entire wedding of my daughter
These speakers were supposed to be the $5,000 Adante series, but Elac really milked Mr. Jones.I mean, in short period they were thrown out on the conveyor belt all with his signature?
Come on, man, you can't do that to one person, let alone your employee.
No wonder he quit.
I hope Mofi doesn't do the same.
So the only flaw I can find is the cabinet construction.
Here are some

 

[Doenerkunde]

I really don't understand how Elac's debut FIRST series was never measured, and those are real diamonds in the rough.
Any, but maybe a B5 or F5 small three-way towers!
I bought these recently and they replace Harbeth 30(25 Anniversary)
I couldn't be happier.
I pay 350 Euro for Elac debut F5 here in Europe in mint condition.

They whole series is still available at Elektrowelt24 in Germany with international shipping. The F5 is sold at 438€/pr excl shipping:

Elac Debut F5 *schwarz* - elektrowelt24.de

Elac Debut F5 *schwarz*

www.elektrowelt24.eu

The B6 has been measured by Stereophile: https://www.stereophile.com/content/elac-debut-b6-loudspeaker-measurements

Appearantly there have been some complaints about lack of treble, so the successors have been voiced hotter. Tonality wise I somehow have the impression that the Elac Debut Reference series is the "spiritual successors" of the first Debut series.

 

[Marin]

They whole series is still available at Elektrowelt24 in Germany with international shipping. The F5 is sold at 438€/pr excl shipping:

Elac Debut F5 *schwarz* - elektrowelt24.de

Elac Debut F5 *schwarz*

www.elektrowelt24.eu

The B6 has been measured by Stereophile: https://www.stereophile.com/content/elac-debut-b6-loudspeaker-measurements

Appearantly there have been some complaints about lack of treble, so the successors have been voiced hotter. Tonality wise I somehow have the impression that the Elac Debut Reference series is the "spiritual successors" of the first Debut series.

I agree with you.
Better cabinets and finish, drives are more or less the same quality.
But we're talking about double the price if not more?
I would take that model but no for full retail price.
I could and would gladly pay the extra price just to appease my OCD
Sorry if Google translated it wrong.
And I can't believe they still make them, where?
Maybe you replaced them with a 3 series?

 

[Marin]

I agree with you.
Better cabinets and finish, drives are more or less the same quality.
But we're talking about double the price if not more?
I would take you if I could and would gladly pay the extra price just to appease my OCD

Na way really.I just seen those and the price is 219 for pair.
So I overpaid. But somehow I'm happy with this purchase.
They are 6 years old,so if the mit of "run them in" is true?
I would have them completely tuned.
But man, it's 2015 and they're still in production? How?
The third line came out, I don't understand?
They must be wanted. That's the only logical explanation to me.
The price of the third series here is 899 euros. How much has price inflation increased for the same "low end" product?

 

[Doenerkunde]

Na way really.I just seen those and the price is 219 for pair.

219 ist for the piece, not the pair

 

[kolestonin]

MoFi SourcePoint 888, Perlisten S07, Monitor Audio Silver 500 7g, Canton Townus 90, Canton Karat GS

 

[Marin]

Moffy is measured by Erin.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Stenheim Reference

 

[cavedriver]

Stenheim Reference View attachment 448969View attachment 448970

The Stenheims are intriguing. The company, based in Switzerland, is fairly young. Name acquired by a businessman who re-jiggered the product and seems to have hit a chord (ahem). The drivers are from French pro audio company PHL that I had never heard of before. Maybe because they mostly do pro audio you don't hear about them in the home audio market much. The tech seems fairly traditional although plenty of people are getting excellent results lately with coated paper cone drivers. Anyway, the big draw, in my mind, is that they're designed for very high efficiency, like a true 95+ dB, without using enormous cabinets, giant woofers, or other typical methods to get good bass extension. As a result they can be played to room-filling levels with an 8W 300B tube amp. I wonder if they will measure that well. They were a little soft in the upper bass and maybe had some distortion. They did have a fairly expansive soundstage and did a decent job of hiding their location so ok dispersion. I listened to two of the smaller sizes. They are gratuitously expensive.

 

[RoA]

Latest Rega Kyte

Rega | Kyte Loudspeaker

Designed to deliver the true Rega sound at an affordable price. Uses our own ZRR high frequency unit and a handmade pair of MX-125 bass-mid drivers.

www.rega.co.uk

 

[taleoffice]

I would like to see Quad Revela 1 in test. Reviews are great, but i would like to see some real data as well.

 

[Matt_Holland]

The Stenheims are intriguing. The company, based in Switzerland, is fairly young. Name acquired by a businessman who re-jiggered the product and seems to have hit a chord (ahem). The drivers are from French pro audio company PHL that I had never heard of before. Maybe because they mostly do pro audio you don't hear about them in the home audio market much. The tech seems fairly traditional although plenty of people are getting excellent results lately with coated paper cone drivers. Anyway, the big draw, in my mind, is that they're designed for very high efficiency, like a true 95+ dB, without using enormous cabinets, giant woofers, or other typical methods to get good bass extension. As a result they can be played to room-filling levels with an 8W 300B tube amp. I wonder if they will measure that well. They were a little soft in the upper bass and maybe had some distortion. They did have a fairly expansive soundstage and did a decent job of hiding their location so ok dispersion. I listened to two of the smaller sizes. They are gratuitously expensive.

I’ve heard a few of their products, including the then flagship, when in China as I used to work with their Chinese distributor when I was at Meridian Audio.

I liked their power and huge soundstage. The mid and treble was typically emphasised. Bass was odd though and this was the case in nearly every room I heard them in. They just didn’t generate anything below about 50Hz and what was there was quite weak compared to the absolutely incredible midrange.

I remember at the Guangzhou hifi show the distributor had their brands in the large ballroom of the hotel and the massive Stenheim system did an amazing job of recreating a full scale orchestra, but lacked deep bass still. On the other side of the room we had a pair of Meridian DSP8000SE and they had no problem delivering true sub-bass at very high SPLs. I thought that was very strange.

I got to know Stenheim’s owner too who is a lovely guy. We had some really good chats about audio.

The construction of the Stenheim speakers is a tour de force of over engineered exuberance. The sheer amount of material mass and the build times alone starts the justify their price.

For the Chinese market where rich audiophiles have huge dedicated listening rooms Stenheim is the perfect brand. They sound so much better than the plethora of awful horn systems out there and their material value is evident with sound to back them up (assuming you’re ok with the bass quality).

 

[lewdish]

Id like to see Amir measure the Shanling S0, not a terrible exp active speaker $400, but its allegedly a fully cast aluminum body like a Genelec. Tweeter seems waveguided, and visually quite pleasing. Seems to have some DSP correction built in which is nice.

If the LMS measurements are accurate it doesnt look too bad, they even use increments of 5db so it's seemingly quite flat, at least the on axis looks decent. Bass doesnt extend super low out of a 3.5" woofer it seems. Doesn't seem like anything particularly fancy about the drivers they're using typical 20mm silk dome & 3.5" paper woofer, I assume maybe just cheap off the shelf components but DSP does the heavy lifting.

for $400 its a fairly sleek and robust chassis it seems.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

1. Asci A6b, 2. Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX, 3. Kef LS 60 Wireless.

 

[kolestonin]

I’ve been thinking about a potential way for us to collectively vote on which speakers we’d like @amirm to measure next.

The idea would start with a community vote to rank the most desired speakers—1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on. Once we have that list, we can launch a crowdfunding campaign, starting with the top-ranked model. Amir would inform us of the total cost to have that speaker delivered to him. We would then begin raising funds for it.

Once the target amount is reached, Amir would order the speaker, measure it, and publish his review. After that, the speaker would be listed for sale on the forum. The proceeds from the sale would be donated back to the crowdfunding pool to help fund the next speaker in line.

To keep things moving smoothly, the crowdfunding campaign could remain open indefinitely, allowing people to continue contributing toward future speakers. This rolling fund could help maintain momentum and reduce the delays between measurements.

Of course, I realize there are many practical issues that could arise—voting system, logistics, trust, organization, fulfillment, and accounting—but I wanted to share the concept in case anyone has ideas to refine it or help make it workable. If structured well, it could be a powerful way to support community-driven audio reviews.

 

[Matt_Holland]

I’ve been thinking about a potential way for us to collectively vote on which speakers we’d like @amirm to measure next.

The idea would start with a community vote to rank the most desired speakers—1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on. Once we have that list, we can launch a crowdfunding campaign, starting with the top-ranked model. Amir would inform us of the total cost to have that speaker delivered to him. We would then begin raising funds for it.

Once the target amount is reached, Amir would order the speaker, measure it, and publish his review. After that, the speaker would be listed for sale on the forum. The proceeds from the sale would be donated back to the crowdfunding pool to help fund the next speaker in line.

To keep things moving smoothly, the crowdfunding campaign could remain open indefinitely, allowing people to continue contributing toward future speakers. This rolling fund could help maintain momentum and reduce the delays between measurements.

Of course, I realize there are many practical issues that could arise—voting system, logistics, trust, organization, fulfillment, and accounting—but I wanted to share the concept in case anyone has ideas to refine it or help make it workable. If structured well, it could be a powerful way to support community-driven audio reviews.

As it’s already possible to donate to the forum, couldn’t this fund be used to purchase products for review if Amir chooses to?

The main issue I see is that measuring speakers takes a lot of time and not a small amount of effort and so we can’t really expect Amir to try and fulfil the forums requests.

 

[JakeK]

I’ve been thinking about a potential way for us to collectively vote on which speakers we’d like @amirm to measure next.

The idea would start with a community vote to rank the most desired speakers—1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on. Once we have that list, we can launch a crowdfunding campaign, starting with the top-ranked model. Amir would inform us of the total cost to have that speaker delivered to him. We would then begin raising funds for it.

Once the target amount is reached, Amir would order the speaker, measure it, and publish his review. After that, the speaker would be listed for sale on the forum. The proceeds from the sale would be donated back to the crowdfunding pool to help fund the next speaker in line.

To keep things moving smoothly, the crowdfunding campaign could remain open indefinitely, allowing people to continue contributing toward future speakers. This rolling fund could help maintain momentum and reduce the delays between measurements.

Of course, I realize there are many practical issues that could arise—voting system, logistics, trust, organization, fulfillment, and accounting—but I wanted to share the concept in case anyone has ideas to refine it or help make it workable. If structured well, it could be a powerful way to support community-driven audio reviews.

Certainly an idea worth thinking about.

 

[somebodyelse]

1. Asci A6b, 2. Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX

Both have provided Klippell measurements as we would see here. From the 'keeping them honest' perspective we have this review thread for the A6B.

3. Kef LS 60 Wireless.

https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/kef_ls60/