LOL! I was going to say, give me your house keys and I can quickly arrange disappearance of not only your speakers but the remainder of your system.Burglary. You need to let the police do the measurements.
LOL! I was going to say, give me your house keys and I can quickly arrange disappearance of not only your speakers but the remainder of your system.Burglary. You need to let the police do the measurements.
Yeah, surprised we didn't any posts from Mrs. H. (those who know, know)LOL! I was going to say, give me your house keys and I can quickly arrange disappearance of not only your speakers but the remainder of your system.
Under these conditions, audio on one speaker sounds like it’s coming from a small point in space at the speaker, with no part of the image wandering within a broad cloud of space.How does ^that^ sound?
I have not read any description of that in the write ups, and everyone quotes Toole who says, something like ’It doesn’t matter much.’
I always seem to gravitate to point source speakers, they always sound “coherent “ to me. I’ve had Tannoy definition’s, and Piega C8 ltds, somehow it’s always the type of speaker I end up picking out. I also often play with fairly close listening positions.Actually locating the speakers away from walls isn't necessary to achieve this, despite that the need for space around the speakers feels like a logical requirement.
This invisibility and large soundstage was one of the design goals of our new active speakers. They are point sources (coax) and in phase across all drivers, but are designed to be located close to the back wall. And they achieve this "disappearing" act as well as large and accurate soundstage both with regards to stereo perspective and perceived depth, even when they're just 10 cm (4 inches) from the wall.
Under these conditions, audio on one speaker sounds like it’s coming from a small point in space at the speaker, with no part of the image wandering within a broad cloud of space.
With one speaker as in mono? See in measurements an issue at crossover audible? How would you know what it's supposed to sound like.
Stereo drivers out of phase? For a bass driver decidedly less bass and for mid and treble imaging goes out the window becomes very diffuse. Both are audible.
Go find a test disk for stereo set-up and listen to the phase test track. I would be amazed if you couldn't hear the difference.
Rob
One thing I do not is I generally like good space between back and side walls if I want an image that mostly sits behind the speakers.
I used thick heavy panels behind the sofa/chesterfield and that deadened the reflection from the rear wall, the imaging became very good and it was like being in a zone of sound with few reflections except the side walls and the front wall. It was very nice.like good space between back and side walls if I want an image that mostly sits behind the speakers. Without enough space behind I find it’s hard to get depth of soundstage.
I think there use to be speakers designed for wall placement…. Maybe audio notes?
I think you are talking about a pair of speakers and flipping wire on one box relative to the other.
That certainly make imaging disappear.
If you diy a 2 way and make a mistake wiring one of the drivers when you power up the pair you will hear it.
Rob
yeah yeah…
But if you make the same mistake with, say the bass,the same on both boxes.,,
Then will you hear that?
The question did not include a caveat that anything proposed has to have been reported upon by Amir, Toole or anyone else. Drivers out of “acoustic phase,” with each other, which is what I’m taking about here, will have adverse effects on the polar response and the frequency response.I do not recall reading any words on Amir’s nor Erin’s reviews on hearing phase in single speaker listening.
The FR is commented on, and the impedance.
The polar plots are commented on.
Resonances are commented on.
I think you are talking about a pair of speakers and flipping wire on one box relative to the other.
That certainly make imaging disappear.
Relevant
No. The cause of that would be loudspeaker design fault(s). Directivity mismatch in the crossover region, time/phase offset between the drivers or even between the two loudspeakers. Early reflections would give conflicting cues and thus image drifts.
A proper word of advice to the guy would be to take some measurements.
I heard that effect in a demo of a pair of JBL HDI3800 which I suspect wasn't set up correctly, I believe they needed to be pointing more toward the listening position than what was the case. It caused the tweeters to be hard as two separate sound sources, to the extent that I could detect the singer's voice as two separate sounds coming from each speaker instead of a unified phantom-centered sound.
Yes, speakers with dual concentric design for example: Genelec The Ones, KEF Reference, Tannoy…Or buy speakers that don't require you to hand pick recordings, rather than listen to the music you actually like.
This video is funny, it sounds like a commercial for his books!