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What is your favorite house curve

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MLP would look even more "crappy", as you say.

just to clarify. what I mean is out of sweet spot the sound is always crap because of the inbalance of the triangle

Is what Amir doing, toggling between simple PEQs during his subjective listening tests an invalid exercise, then?

he is comparing to the sound he is used to. nothing wrong with that, though.
I am talking about the marginal improvements we fetishists are after (lol). something can sound better at first, only to reveal being bad later and vice versa

In another thread with a youtube video review of the Adam T8V reinforced with concrete, we could hear improvement in sound by A/Bing the same bass-heavy clip in a matter of seconds! Even you remarked that you could hear a difference. :p

Did I? I actualy asked for the original track in the coment section. I am not sure it realy improved, because it actualy onyl seam to atenuate the 100-200Hz region. as always, a meassurement would show if there was real improvement. personaly I tend to prefer the before sound because it has more bass. and judging by the graph the atenuation makes it probably sound like a mid boosted HS7: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/adam-t5v-review-studio-monitor.18122/
I am also not sure if I hear the resonance because with eletronic music you never know if it is in the song or not.
 
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The Harman shed?:

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just to clarify. what I mean is out of sweet spot the sound is always crap because of the inbalance of the triangle

So you mean the difference mainly in timing?

Yeah, it doesn't bother me all that much -- I just seem to have a good tolerance for it somehow.

The path length difference at the corner edges of my couch between the closest and farthest main monitors is ~1 ms 3 ms or about 1 meter. Hmmmn... Doesn't sound crap to me. I did a little experiment at the MLP and gradually adjusted delays for one of the speakers and as long as the transition is done slowly and one listens for long periods -- not performing any fast AB switching -- one can easily acclimatize to the sound, esp. for background music listening.

Obviously, switching back to the correct "center" preset you quickly realize how superior that setting is, but I don't think I would be super bothered as long as the monitors are very similar in their overall sound characteristics and/or spectral balance.

*Nevertheless, I sometimes use saved quick presets that compensate for perceived time delays and volume offset when sitting far-off center at the corner edges of the couch:

LEFT SEAT COMPENSATION
Delay 3ms Left
Delay 5.7ms Surround Left
Delay 1.2ms Surround Right
-7dB Surround Left

RIGHT SEAT COMPENSATION
Delay 2.8ms Right
Delay 5ms Surround Right
Delay 0.4ms Surround Left
-7dB Surround Right


it actualy onyl seam to atenuate the 100-200Hz region. as always, a meassurement would show if there was real improvement. personaly I tend to prefer the before sound because it has more bass.

Initially, I also shared the same opinion. However, it was mentioned that they chose not to add extra wadding and kept the port open. It is not likely that SPL in that region was attenuated. Less coloration oftentimes means "cleaner" sound. I remember Matt Poes mentioning how one of his clients preferred the older subs with way more distortion than his newly installed ultra-ultra (expensive) low distortion subs -- saying that they sounded less loud and impactful esp. with movies.
 
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Is that 1db per octave?

No - it's 0.8dB per octave. 1dB per octave would be a 10db slope overall.

I myself prefer a 7-8dB slope as 10dB or 1dB per octave sounds dull in my setup.
 

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[USER = 2067] @Chipless [/ USER] aquí están las respuestas objetivo corregidas:

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Si bien parece que hay más variabilidad en los objetivos, no es así como se observa en las mediciones. Aquí hay una comparación del uso del objetivo OliveToole (es decir, +2 dB a 20 Hz con una línea recta a -8 dB a 20 kHz) en Audiolense frente al objetivo plano a 1 kHz y en línea recta a - 6 db a 20 kHz en Acourate .

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El trazo verde y rojo es Audiolense y el azul y morado es Acourate, usando los dos objetivos diferentes como se especificó anteriormente. Tenga en cuenta que estos son dos sistemas de altavoces diferentes en la misma habitación, medidos con años de diferencia. El trazo rojo y verde es un soporte de piso de dos vías con dos subwoofers y el trazo azul y morado es un soporte de piso de 3 vías. Todos los altavoces activos y grandes.

Los dos sistemas miden más juntos de lo que especifican las definiciones de destino. De hecho, por encima de Schroeder, son prácticamente idénticos, aunque los objetivos utilizados dicen diferente. ¿Por qué? Existe cierta variabilidad en los dos paquetes de software DSP utilizados. Lo que significa que cada paquete utiliza una técnica de análisis y un filtrado psicoacústico ligeramente diferentes. Los detalles de los cuales se discuten en mi libro para Acourate. Para Audiolense, uno puede leerlo en el archivo de ayuda incluido al final de este artículo .

Para mí, lo que importa es la respuesta tonal o el timbre de mis oídos. Incluso con diferentes altavoces que utilizan diferentes paquetes de DSP durante un período de un par de años, mido constantemente la misma preferencia tonal ...
where can i download the Targets? thanks
 

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There is more to it than just a "house curve". Here are a few industry guidelines:

In 1974, Bruel and Kjaer instruments wrote an application note on, "Relevant loudspeaker tests in studios in
Hi-Fi dealers' demo rooms in the home etc. using 1/3 octave, pink-weighted, random noise." See Figure 5:
"The optimum curve for HIFI equipment measured in the actual listening room." While the curve is smooth, it
does have a gradual roll-off. Looking at the frequency response plot, the gradual roll-off starts at -0.5 dB at
200 Hz, -3 dB at 2 kHz, and -6 dB down at 20 kHz. Over time, this became known as the B&K "house
curve." For decades, professionals and amateurs alike have used the B&K house curve (or target response)
when equalizing a sound reproduction system for critical listening purposes.

In 1994 (updated in 2015), the ITU produced a "Recommendation ITU-R BS.1116-3 (02/2015) Methods for the
subjective assessment of small impairments in audio systems." On Page 17, section 8.3.4.1 Operational
room response curve shows a tolerance limit of ±3 db SPL and a very similar operational room response
curve as per EBU-Tech 3276 below.

In 1998, the European Broadcast Union produced a Tech note, EBU-Tech 3276, “Listening conditions for the
assessment of sound programme material: monophonic and two–channel stereophonic." See Figure 2 on
Page 6: "Tolerance limits of the operational room response curve." The curve is flat to 2 kHz and then a
straight line to -6 dB at 20 kHz with a ±3 dB tolerance along the target. As mentioned previously, this Tech
note has other target specifications that we will examine in upcoming sections.

In 2009, Dr. Sean Olive from Harmon wrote a paper on, "The Subjective and Objective Evaluation of Room
Correction Products." Presentation download. Through the use of measurements and listening tests, the
preferred response is a straight line, but tilted starting at +2 dB at 20 Hz to -8 dB at 20 kHz. The conclusion
is that flat in-room response is not the preferred target response.

In 2015, Dr. Floyd Toole wrote an AES open access paper on, "The Measurement and Calibration of Sound
Reproducing Systems." See Figure 14 "Subjectively preferred steady-state room curve targets in a typical
domestic listening room [49], from Olive et al. [48]. The prediction of Fig. 13(a) is superimposed." Note that
the trained listener's preference target curve is similar to the other targets referenced above.

Overlaying the "house curves" or target responses:

View attachment 10874

Coincidence... :) Personally, I favour the Olive/Toole house curve (or really, tilt). I have tried most of those "curves" in many, many rooms, including several recording studio control rooms, with many speakers, including live sound reinforcement systems over a... gulp... 38 year time span. Starting with a 10 band analog eq all the way to state of the art DSP, as can be seen in my sig.

While there are other contributing factors, i.e. physical shape of the room, how live or dead, one can't go too wrong by starting with any one of these house curves. Especially, if one is using modern DSP, each one can be compared in real time and fined tuned to one's personal preference.
Someone can help me to get the mdat or the csv file of all the Targets please?
 

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Someone can help me to get the mdat or the csv file of all the Targets please?

 

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0 -40.0 28 -20.0 29 1.99 35 1.98 41 1.96 47 1.93 53 1.88 59 1.83 64 1.76 70 1.67 76 1.58 82 1.47 88 1.36 94 1.24 100 1.12 105 1.01 111 0.9 117 0.8 123 0.71 129 0.63 135 0.55 141 0.49 147 0.43 152 0.38 158 0.34 164 0.3 170 0.26 176 0.23 182 0.21 188 0.19 480 0.0 20000 -8.0 22000 -40.0 24000 -100.0
 

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I have this for my Homestudio
(1/48th Smoothing though)

I have a overwhelmingly dead room and due to that (mismatch in Aural and Visual Information, as told by Mr. Kyle Mann) , my brain just heightens my High Frequency sensitivity way too much and without this curve, if I keep the curve flattish, it feels like way to much HF on every song.
For reference, here's my Waterfall and Spectrogram.
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Here's my own curve houseusing Dirac on minidsp DDRC. Really weird but it sound incredible on my system. The decibel are drop for a more flatting effect.

Hope you test it for fun and come back with feedback.


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DEVICENAME

BREAKPOINTS
0 0
5 0
8 0
12.8304 -19.9978
18.0074 -22.9769
20.0619 -9.02388
45.0244 -12.9759
49.7852 -15.0416
99.8651 -14.9664
139.836 -14.0368
170.074 -12.9809
180.423 -11.019
254.945 -11.4194
332.503 -11.9858
499.81 -12.002
749.523 -12.5347
1000.02 -13.9797
2004.66 -16.0466
4001.45 -16.0418
7997.37 -17.0133
20052.4 -19.0386
21148.5 -20.4237
23761 -20.0262
24000 -9.98569
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Hi all! I bought speaker JBL PartyBox100 (yes, I know it's not high end, boutique and audiophile speaker by any means - I have high end monitors and room treatment in my home studio so I don't use eq for that gear but this speaker is use by other family members. Mainly to listen music on patio or in the living room/kitchen and as I heard it couple of times I noticed that it has bad "kick drum pump", somewhat lack of bass, too much mids and kind of harsh treble in sibilants range cause all those sounds are audible the most.). The freq response is like on the attachement. How should I apply eq to make this speaker sound good/better? I will use apo equaliser and peace software to eq it from the laptop cause I didn't find any other good eq software with so many usefull options. Thank you in advance for all opinions and tips!
 

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I’m not the one to help you (only because I do not have the skill and experience to do so), but you may get better replies if you can measure your in-room response with REW or something, and post that. Also might consider starting a separate thread. Sometimes it’s just a matter of getting the right people to notice your post.
 

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house curve at 4:13 i could try that but going to be rather hard with Alien 3 now .
 

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Listening to this one at the moment.

AVI ADM9_1 BK Target Curve.png


As can be seen it's quite a change to the uncorrected response I've kind of gotten used to over the years. So far I love the increased lower bass definition and upper bass weight.

Not entirely sure about the >500Hz region though. Maybe I should leave some of the mid range bump alone or correct the entire region in a slightly different way. Looking at the quasi-anechoic on-axis response one would almost think there is a (BBC?) dip around 3kHz that could use its own correction.

AVI ADM9_1 MMM vs QA.png


Suppose I would make a combined target, with LF based on B&K and HF on the Q-A on-axis curve, where would I best split the two? 500Hz? Lower? Higher? Any ideas?
 

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So I went ahead and and created a combined correction, split at 500Hz.

AVI ADM9_1 BK LF 500Hz QA HF.png


On paper the difference is subtle. Above 500Hz the curve no longer follows the B&K target, but corrects for a flat quasi-anechoic on-axis response. Sadly the end result sounded dull and off. Just wonky.

Back to the B&K curve and the drawing board.
 

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I always end up with about 4dB droop from 100Hz to 10kHz. A little more is generally OK, but things can get kind of fuzzy.
 

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pink noise RTA x-curve . just a quick sample

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