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I asked my friend Google to do a search and, sure enough, results revealed polls with ranges from 20 to 25 percent of the people answering that the sun revolves around the earth. And here I thought it revolved around me.
I recently checked a commonly quoted place it might shine out of but alas...

On topic: you may want to move in with your parents again and put your stereo on the landing upstairs: Study: Human Hearing Most Acute When Listening To Arguing Parents From Top Of Stairs (on the well respected science site The Onion).

On a more serious note: the WWII Brittish SEO training manual states (Hearing at night):
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On a more serious note: the WWII Brittish SEO training manual states (Hearing at night):
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Not sure about not seeing at the same time (although it makes sense as helps brain focus on a single sense) but having your mouth slightly open also opens your eustachian tube which eases pressure on your tympanic membrane making it more sensitive.
 

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This article wiped away the last little pieces of credibility What Hi-Fi had in my books...
 

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The last item is OK--pointing out AVR "all channels driven" performance.

The propaganda technique of including bits of truth/fact mixed in with lots of B.S. and falsehoods was honed to a high level of effectiveness by the professionals hired a few decades ago to fight regulation of the tobacco industry in the U.S. because of the science-based knowledge of the carcinogenic properties of tobacco smoke. The goal was not necessarily to convince, but instill doubt and uncertainty. These methods have been further refined by the heavily (fossil fuel industry) financed efforts of the "climate denial" sector. (Climate denial = those who deny the reality of anthropogenic global warming and climate change/) Indeed, the climate problem - an actual threat to the survival of modern human civilization - demonstrates how powerful such messaging can be. The developments in the field of psychology made these messaging refinements possible, and I find it sad that the greatest success of psychology has been in refining propaganda methods - and not in treating the many mental health problems suffered by humans.

In audio, we see versions of the techniques and methods of the propagandists and "persuaders" that have filtered down to to communication in areas such as falsifiable subjectivist proclamations and related audio snake oil peddling. Many in that group are doing it subconsciously, and often very effectively.

The workings of the human mind in the area of communication and susceptibility to misinformation can be as complex as in the "perception" and "interpretation" of sound.
 

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it's old - read The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard (IIRC)
 

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hired a few decades ago to fight regulation of the tobacco industry in the U.S. because of the science-based knowledge of the carcinogenic properties of tobacco smoke. The goal was not necessarily to convince, but instill doubt and uncertainty.

I don't think it's quite that straightforward. The tobacco industry was absolutely petrified of lawsuits.

Jeffrey Wigand (former chief scientist of Brown and Williamson; his story is dramatized in the film "The Insider" (Russell Crowe)) has said that in meetings etc. they would ALWAYS have a lawyer in the room, so that all communication was "privileged."

Ultimately, the tobacco companies did little to market and develop "safer" alternatives, with the only successful but modest development really being the "filter." (Incidentally, in the 1960's, a brand of cigarettes was introduced that had filters containing asbestos!)

But then neither did anyone else, with a "puritanical" approach adopted, even though there's nothing wrong* with nicotine per se (except it is addictive)--it demonstrably enhances cognitive performance. The pharmaceutical companies/health organisations developed "nicotine replacement therapies" (NRT's) (nicotine gum, etc.) that weren't intended to replace smoking but aids to quitting, and delivered too little nicotine and too slowly.

(* Essentially. Probably best avoided if you suffer from hypertension!)

Whilst there was a dramatic reduction in adult smoking in "Western" countries, millions continued to smoke in spite of the risks staring them in the face on every packet. The result of this sad story is the arrival of a suitable replacement, namely "e-cigarettes," took decades longer than it should have--and came from "outside the system"--that is, China.

The "evil tobacco companies" (and they certainly could be considered "evil") version of events is as much of a "meme" as anything.

These methods have been further refined by the heavily (fossil fuel industry) financed efforts of the "climate denial" sector. (Climate denial = those who deny the reality of anthropogenic global warming and climate change/)

As with the tobacco companies above, it is more complex than this, with poor outcomes.

Like most people, I know very little about the "climate "--it's an extremely complex chaotic system with many feedback mechanisms. "Climate denial" itself is propaganda; it serves to close down conversation--it is certainly not scientific language.

A very political subject so I'll give a factual example of a "poor outcome."

In the UK, CO2 emissions have been cut by <35% since 1990; whilst they have risen in China by >350% (see same link), a country that has been building coal-fired power plants at the rate of 1 a week, and now accounts for ~30% of global CO2 emissions--and many countries have effectively exported CO2 emissions by buying transferring the manufacture of goods to China.

At the same time, the UK has ended up with a dwindling power generation capability, having phased out coal, and not built any nuclear power stations for decades. "Renewable" energy (wind) has been introduced, but overall the power generation capacity is at risk given the dynamic nature of "renewable" energy sources, and since many old power stations are reaching the end of their useful life.

Across the channel, France has more than ample nuclear power generation capability, which supplies the majority of electrical power used. Its CO2 emissions in 1990 were about the same as the UK's are today, and they remain less than the UK's. "Environmental" organisations, I think it fair to say, generally don't like nuclear.

The UK can do very much better than this, as can many other countries.

not in treating the many mental health problems suffered by humans.

Very effective psychological therapies have been developed for "common" mental health problems, with a solid evidence base that they do work. In the UK there has been some effort in the healthcare system towards the provision of psychological therapy and other interventions over simply prescribing anti-depressants. It hasn't gone far enough, but the awareness is there.

"Serious" mental health problems, e.g. psychosis (Schizophrenia, severe depression with psychotic episodes, etc.) with delusions and hallucinations, is more puzzling and even with drugs difficult (not least since suffers can't tell reality from delusions, so discontinue medication--hmm, maybe this sounds like "subjectivists," LOL.)

The field of psychology is very broad, with subdisciplines ranging from cognitive psychology (inc. information theory etc.--lossy codecs are informed by this), to perception, to evolutionary, to...

The propaganda technique of including bits of truth/fact mixed in with lots of B.S. and falsehoods was honed to a high level of effectiveness by the professionals

Perhaps so. But is the "What Hi-Fi?" article a good example? The most indisputably factual point is at the bottom of the article. Maybe placing it at the end is supposed to be effective, e.g. being memorable as last, but on a webpage, many will simply not even scroll to the end after reading some of the utter "twaddle" above. So, I'd wonder whether it was actually intentionally written as "propaganda" in respect of including truths amongst "nonsense"?

Thinking about it, though, I suspect the overarching objective of What Hi-Fi? is simply to keep the "hi-fi industry" going--and that means getting people into specialist hi-fi dealers, and buying high margin accessories. The inclusion of the "all channels driven" output power capability item seems like one way of getting people away from "mass market" electronics and on to specialist product and vendors, with the never-ending "upgrade path" of continuous purchases. And that, of course, means continuously purchasing or reading the publication! When I read the magazine, "back in the day," they were very dismissive of AVR's for non-video/surround sound use, as they were "not designed for music."

More broadly, in the UK, the anti-scientific approach goes back to the infamous demonstrations by Linn/Naim in the 1970's, and the rise of "subjectivism."

Douglas Self has written a good article on this.

I think the reality is deeper than that, but it's a good starting point.
 
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I don't think it's quite that straightforward. The tobacco industry was absolutely petrified of lawsuits.
Although I truly appreciate your excellent and nuanced response, I was writing in broad and more general terms. I touched on a variety of subjects, any of which are worthy of longer and more detailed discussions at places other than audio forums.

My primary point - which you did not address directly, is that the propagandistic technique of embedding elements of "truth" within larger amounts of verifiable falsehoods is a clearly defined method used by unethical "messaging professionals", and adopted and used instinctively by less sophisticated "messaging" people such as subjective audio "journalists."

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My background in the subject for those who might be interested and have time to waste: (And of course, all of these events in my life took place while I had a decent to excellent audio system to listen to between the hours spent studying and/or working.) :cool:


Regarding psychology and psychiatry, I was a certified neuropsychiatric technician way back in 1962 in the early days of psychotropic pharmaceuticals, trained in a U.S. Navy Hospital Department of Psychiatry, a department that also included a four-year psychiatry resident training program for MD's. I am well aware that there has been greater success with treating psychological problems that do not reach the level of psychoses than there has been with serious mental illnesses. One could consider the successful energy industry use of disinformation that is delaying of the implementation of global warming mitigation measures to be a contribution to the biggest "psychosis" humans as a group have ever experienced. Indeed many believe AGW/CC to be a true existential crisis - whose upcoming horrors I will likely not be alive to witness.

Transitioning to climate science and AGW/CC denial, I studied psychological and social aspects of human-to-nature relationships at U.C. Berkeley in the 1970s while earning an undergraduate degree in ecology and conservation. 40 years later, in 2015, I participated in a basic university level climate science course offered as a MOOC by the University of British Columbia. At that time, I also participated in discussions at the now defunct WUnderground.com blog of Dr. Ricky Rood, a climate scientist at the University of Michigan who teaches graduate courses in global warming / climate change problem solving. Dr. Rood had previously worked as a climate scientist at NASA for many years.

So as a person who is not a climate professional, but with a fairly good background in the subject, I am confident in my understanding of the crisis we humans are facing.

My "go-to" source for climate messaging is SkepticalScience.com, started by John Cook in 2007. Now Professor Cook and doing research in cognitive science at George Mason University, Dr. Cook earned his PhD in Cognitive Science at the University of Western Australia in 2016.

For me, the "denial" of global warming has parallels to the denial of reality in audio - but audio is a hobby and the denial is weird and amusing, while the dangers of global warming is deadly serious. Snake oil and audiophoolery do not destroy lives and livelihoods, and indeed, audio snake oil has paid off nicely for a few folks.

And don't get me started on the subject the anti-vaxxers...
 

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Although I truly appreciate your excellent and nuanced response, I was writing in broad and more general terms. I touched on a variety of subjects, any of which are worthy of longer and more detailed discussions at places other than audio forums.

My primary point - which you did not address directly, is that the propagandistic technique of embedding elements of "truth" within larger amounts of verifiable falsehoods is a clearly defined method used by unethical "messaging professionals", and adopted and used instinctively by less sophisticated "messaging" people such as subjective audio "journalists."

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My background in the subject for those who might be interested and have time to waste: (And of course, all of these events in my life took place while I had a decent to excellent audio system to listen to between the hours spent studying and/or working.) :cool:


Regarding psychology and psychiatry, I was a certified neuropsychiatric technician way back in 1962 in the early days of psychotropic pharmaceuticals, trained in a U.S. Navy Hospital Department of Psychiatry, a department that also included a four-year psychiatry resident training program for MD's. I am well aware that there has been greater success with treating psychological problems that do not reach the level of psychoses than there has been with serious mental illnesses. One could consider the successful energy industry use of disinformation that is delaying of the implementation of global warming mitigation measures to be a contribution to the biggest "psychosis" humans as a group have ever experienced. Indeed many believe AGW/CC to be a true existential crisis - whose upcoming horrors I will likely not be alive to witness.

Transitioning to climate science and AGW/CC denial, I studied psychological and social aspects of human-to-nature relationships at U.C. Berkeley in the 1970s while earning an undergraduate degree in ecology and conservation. 40 years later, in 2015, I participated in a basic university level climate science course offered as a MOOC by the University of British Columbia. At that time, I also participated in discussions at the now defunct WUnderground.com blog of Dr. Ricky Rood, a climate scientist at the University of Michigan who teaches graduate courses in global warming / climate change problem solving. Dr. Rood had previously worked as a climate scientist at NASA for many years.

So as a person who is not a climate professional, but with a fairly good background in the subject, I am confident in my understanding of the crisis we humans are facing.

My "go-to" source for climate messaging is SkepticalScience.com, started by John Cook in 2007. Now Professor Cook and doing research in cognitive science at George Mason University, Dr. Cook earned his PhD in Cognitive Science at the University of Western Australia in 2016.

For me, the "denial" of global warming has parallels to the denial of reality in audio - but audio is a hobby and the denial is weird and amusing, while the dangers of global warming is deadly serious. Snake oil and audiophoolery do not destroy lives and livelihoods, and indeed, audio snake oil has paid off nicely for a few folks.

And don't get me started on the subject the anti-vaxxers...
There's just no reasoning with a anti-vaccer. We have tonnes of them in Canada with all the societal issues that come from that including the deaths of their children. The courts are taking the matter to task and bringing those that cause death to the courts for prosecution. Myself if my doctor advises something then I'm on that and getting it done.
 

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I find most of the British hi-fi mags, especially What-Hi-fi, to be the least readable (for me) of the subjective rags.

It's such a spectacular fall from grace for the British HiFi press in general. Back in the 70s, HiFi Choice arguably had the most comprehensive test regimes of any magazine in the world. Most "reviewers" even today, with access to considerably better test gear fail with relentless regularity to test for the most basic of parameters.

The US HiFi press eventually fell victim to the same vest interest pressures and when Audio finally disappeared, along with a few others, the cause was lost. That Stereophile ended up adding more tests as time went on, doesn't excuse them either IMO. As for the Australian HiFi press, it's always been a sad joke from the 70s onwards. Inept testing, mistakes and misprints and a complete dribble fest of subjective hogwash.

Bah. Get off my lawn- again.
 

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It's such a spectacular fall from grace for the British HiFi press in general. Back in the 70s, HiFi Choice arguably had the most comprehensive test regimes of any magazine in the world. Most "reviewers" even today, with access to considerably better test gear fail with relentless regularity to test for the most basic of parameters.

I've not read Hi-Fi Choice in years, but when I did, back in the 1990's, their lab report sections (Paul Miller) were pretty good.

(The speakers were measured by Paul Messenger "in room" using a multi-microphone technique; the frequency response plots were thus not terribly useful.)

Here is a particularly "choice" (pun intended) example from the December 1994 -- Sony CDP-715E. This had (at least for the time) outstanding measured performance:

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Compare to e.g. the spurious output (bottom right) plot for the Rotel RCD-940BX in the same "group test":

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Yikes! OK, so there's some reference to audiophile capacitors that some might not like in the Sony "lab report," but this is good information to have. Especially when the Sony was a so-called "budget" player at £200. Dare I say that it's almost a like an Audio Science Review recommendation. :)

IIRC, a few years later, Hi-Fi Choice dispensed with the plots, and started using "bar chart" scores for the measured performance. :-(

The US HiFi press eventually fell victim to the same vest interest pressures and when Audio finally disappeared, along with a few others, the cause was lost. That Stereophile […]

Didn't exactly help that John Atkinson was "exported" from the UK. ;-)
 

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I've not read Hi-Fi Choice in years, but when I did, back in the 1990's, their lab report sections (Paul Miller) were pretty good.

Here's a late 1970s Hi-Fi Choice amplifier review...

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(this devolved to bar-charts. :facepalm:)

Need we say more? ;)
 

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