DCA Stealth
Sennheiser HD600
AKG K371
JBL Endurance Run
Koss Porta Pro
Blon bl-03 - horrible fit
Sennheiser HD600
AKG K371
JBL Endurance Run
Koss Porta Pro
Blon bl-03 - horrible fit
On using Oratory with the Noire: I did that at first, but wondered what would happen if I EQ'd using Oratory, except that I would leave the Dan Clark upper-bass "bump" from about 60Hz to 160Hz in place. (Oratory eliminates the bump in order to conform to the Harman curve in the upper bass.) I decided I liked it better that way, and that the bump does give a little pep to the upper bass, pretty much as Dan claims it does, and without bleeding up into the mids.Plenty of good reviews out there that compare them better then I ever could
But the Liric sound better... But considering the price difference the noire come damn close if you use oratory1990 EQ settings on both.
The liric feel definitely more valuable (material quality). And have better isolation. They are easier to drive.
The noire are more comfortable and sound very good as well. Especially for half the price of the liric.
Great descriptions and really helpful - thanks. I've owned several of the cans on your ex list and your thoughts pretty much align with mine. I'm curious what source you use though?Headphones I owned at some point:
- HD800 -> used only Oratory EQ, nice sound but sounds to distant in many tracks and lacks bass extension even when EQed
- Meze Empyrean -> nice tuning for rock, but meh technicalities, extremely overpriced when buying retail
- Denon AH-D9200 -> tuning is really hit or miss depending on the track, technicalities are average I would say.
- Hifiman HE6SE -> compared to newer Hifiman offerings, the technicalities don't seem to hold up
- Focal Clear OG -> absolutely solid for a headphone that can be bought for around 700-800€ today, would be my recommendation for entering the hobby.
- Focal Clear MG -> much worse then the OG Clear IMO except Timber, not worth buying.
- DCA Noire -> Bought it at the same time while having the Stealth at my home in hope of getting a similar sound experience for way less money, unfortunately that is not the case as the Noire just is way worse from an technicalities standpoint IMO, but of course it is also a 1/4th of the price....
My current headphones:
- Hifiman Arya Stealth with EQ -> Bass shelve and sometimes reduced treble depending on the track, very good allrounder and my recommendation before reaching for Summit-Fi cans.
- AirPods Max -> for conference calls/work, really great pair of cans for casual listening while working with a great set of functionality.
- AirPods Pro Gen2 -> for commuting to work via train, in my opinion the best TWS offering to date.
Headphone that I want next (once I can afford it lol):
- DCA Expanse -> A Stealth with better tuning and soundstage?
I have had the fortune of listening to the DCA Stealth for a few weeks and found its midrange a little lacking and treble to be a little to hot for my liking, but the technicalities just were breathtaking! A little EQing has fixed my personal tuning gripes with the Stealth tho.
Right now I use an D30Pro + A30Pro stack.Great descriptions and really helpful - thanks. I've owned several of the cans on your ex list and your thoughts pretty much align with mine. I'm curious what source you use though?
I’ve done almost the exact same thing. However much I kept tweaking and fiddling with the Oratory settings, the bass frequencies just wouldn’t sound quite as I’d like them.On using Oratory with the Noire: I did that at first, but wondered what would happen if I EQ'd using Oratory, except that I would leave the Dan Clark upper-bass "bump" from about 60Hz to 160Hz in place. (Oratory eliminates the bump in order to conform to the Harman curve in the upper bass.) I decided I liked it better that way, and that the bump does give a little pep to the upper bass, pretty much as Dan claims it does, and without bleeding up into the mids.
(I did this by removing the 100Hz PEQ band in the Oratory settings ... this band is the one Oratory uses to eliminate the bump. I also lowered the gain on the other bands covering the bass to offset the boost afforded by eliminating the 100Hz PEQ band, and fiddled a little bit to dovetail the FR curve leading down from the bump into the lower bass.)
But I'd be curious if others find the same thing. If you try it, let me know what you think...
A good case of great minds thinking pretty much alike. I put a shelf at 50 with a Q of 1, and used that in conjunction with the 105k band to shape the EQ curve ... the raw FR curve droops in a slightly concave shape, and I moved both inflection points around to get a higher sub bass than out-of-the-box, but less than Harman bass, which I find a bit too steep for a smoothly integrated FR curve up and down the line using acoustic sources. I wasn't that sensitive to the hinge frequency (at 32hz in your case, 50hz in mine), but your comment makes me want to go back and listen again. I will do so when I get frustrated with something else I'm working on and want to go into EQ-fiddle-mode to escape for a bit.I’ve done almost the exact same thing. However much I kept tweaking and fiddling with the Oratory settings, the bass frequencies just wouldn’t sound quite as I’d like them.
The solution for me was to remove all the filters below and including 180Hz and add a bass shelf of 3.2dB with a Q of 0.7 at 32Hz (based on the FR graph, where the frequencies below the “bump” measure below Harman). This placement at 32Hz came pretty exact for me, because at 35Hz the shelf made the bass just a tad too boomy and at 30Hz it would become a tad anemic. This could of course all be placebo.
I had them (Dan Clark Closed X from Drop) for a while, I forgot to reply. It was actually a mixed bag with them. I feel that the previously owned Fischer Audio FA TI-003 were superior in some ways, they seemed to be more liniar than these. The DC ones are more "tame" to my ears. They have a better lower end, they are very comfortable and the most important part is that they are not leaking as much sound as the previous ones , which is important to me, since I am working from home next to my wife. I also noticed that they are VERY power hungry (which I saw later on in Amir's review of RT) and my iFi Micro iDSD amplifier just died on me today. The DAC part works, just the amplifier doesn't . I will check to see what are my options, if I can use the iFi as a DAC and just buy a power amplifier or just get another DAC / amplifier combo.Right.
Report back when you have them, they are not for me, but others are always interested in hands on experiences.